Comments on: Twentysomething: I'm in 17th grade http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:20:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Max Maidak http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/comment-page-1/#comment-114714 Max Maidak Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:22:18 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/#comment-114714 This idea of 17th grade has been in my head for a while. It seems to me that you are very comfortable being institutionalized. A corporation, particularly a very large one, bears remarkable resemblance to a total institution; you describe it very much like boarding school. I am currently working on an essay about this topic here: http://www.maxopedia.org/drupal/?q=node/8 hopefully some helpful souls that can point me towards some empirical research regarding this topic; particularly in regards to institutionalization and hierarchical structures; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment This idea of 17th grade has been in my head for a while. It seems to me that you are very comfortable being institutionalized. A corporation, particularly a very large one, bears remarkable resemblance to a total institution; you describe it very much like boarding school.

I am currently working on an essay about this topic here: http://www.maxopedia.org/drupal/?q=node/8

hopefully some helpful souls that can point me towards some empirical research regarding this topic; particularly in regards to institutionalization and hierarchical structures; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

]]> By: Employee Evolution - How to start a company from your cubicle http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/comment-page-1/#comment-114203 Employee Evolution - How to start a company from your cubicle Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:02:46 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/#comment-114203 [...] totally lucked out by emailing Penelope at the exact time she was looking for someone to write a twentysomething column. We lucked out that a Wall Street Journal reporter wanted to cover our blog after two months. I’m [...] [...] totally lucked out by emailing Penelope at the exact time she was looking for someone to write a twentysomething column. We lucked out that a Wall Street Journal reporter wanted to cover our blog after two months. I’m [...]

]]> By: Employee Evolution - Dirty, Rotten Scammers: A Post for the Recent College Grad http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/comment-page-1/#comment-109843 Employee Evolution - Dirty, Rotten Scammers: A Post for the Recent College Grad Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:08:34 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/#comment-109843 [...] of college. The add jumped out of the classified in its bold text, perfect bait for any naive “17th grader” fresh out of his vain college surroundings: “ENTRY-LEVEL, COLLEGE GRADS! SALES CAREERS IN [...] [...] of college. The add jumped out of the classified in its bold text, perfect bait for any naive “17th grader" fresh out of his vain college surroundings: “ENTRY-LEVEL, COLLEGE GRADS! SALES CAREERS IN [...]

]]> By: Employee Evolution - I’m in 17th grade http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/comment-page-1/#comment-104331 Employee Evolution - I’m in 17th grade Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:47:56 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/#comment-104331 [...] He was referring to the fact that I live in an apartment complex with hundreds of other “young professionals” who are basically living the same boring (his words) lives. At first I laughed it off and told him that he was just jealous that I was making money and could afford to live in a nice place like this….Read more at Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk. [...] [...] He was referring to the fact that I live in an apartment complex with hundreds of other “young professionals” who are basically living the same boring (his words) lives. At first I laughed it off and told him that he was just jealous that I was making money and could afford to live in a nice place like this….Read more at Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk. [...]

]]> By: Five situations when you shouldn’t go to graduate school « Accounting & other business related info. http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/comment-page-1/#comment-99194 Five situations when you shouldn’t go to graduate school « Accounting & other business related info. Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:09:20 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/#comment-99194 [...] 4. People who love to learn don’t need a degree for it. Don’t go to grad school because you love poetry. If you love poetry, read it. No one dictates to you what you have to do after work. If you want to read poems, fine. Why do you need a degree? What will that accomplish besides putting you into debt? Anyway, a good job allows you to learn so much that it is like a continuation of school anyway. [...] [...] 4. People who love to learn don’t need a degree for it. Don’t go to grad school because you love poetry. If you love poetry, read it. No one dictates to you what you have to do after work. If you want to read poems, fine. Why do you need a degree? What will that accomplish besides putting you into debt? Anyway, a good job allows you to learn so much that it is like a continuation of school anyway. [...]

]]> By: Employee Evolution - Brazen Careerist: I’m in 17th grade http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/comment-page-1/#comment-97966 Employee Evolution - Brazen Careerist: I’m in 17th grade Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:15:48 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/#comment-97966 [...] He was referring to the fact that I live in an apartment complex with hundreds of other “young professionals” who are basically living the same boring (his words) lives. At first I laughed it off and told him that he was just jealous that I was making money and could afford to live in a nice place like this….Read more at Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk. [...] [...] He was referring to the fact that I live in an apartment complex with hundreds of other “young professionals” who are basically living the same boring (his words) lives. At first I laughed it off and told him that he was just jealous that I was making money and could afford to live in a nice place like this….Read more at Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk. [...]

]]> By: Employee Evolution - Dirty, Rotten Scammers: A Post for the Recent College Grad http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/comment-page-1/#comment-97965 Employee Evolution - Dirty, Rotten Scammers: A Post for the Recent College Grad Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:15:33 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/#comment-97965 [...] I first learned about the scam companies a few weeks out of college. The add jumped out of the classified in its bold text, perfect bait for any naive “17th grader” fresh out of his vain college surroundings: “ENTRY-LEVEL, COLLEGE GRADS! SALES CAREERS IN MANHATTAN!” I guess I should’ve known better… [...] [...] I first learned about the scam companies a few weeks out of college. The add jumped out of the classified in its bold text, perfect bait for any naive “17th grader” fresh out of his vain college surroundings: “ENTRY-LEVEL, COLLEGE GRADS! SALES CAREERS IN MANHATTAN!” I guess I should’ve known better… [...]

]]> By: Let us stand up before you knock us down « Employee Evolution - The Voice of Millennials at Work http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/comment-page-1/#comment-65988 Let us stand up before you knock us down « Employee Evolution - The Voice of Millennials at Work Wed, 02 May 2007 02:59:11 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/#comment-65988 [...] Being a “Gen-Y Renegade” is okay in my book. We need the rabid animal every once and awhile to stir up a bit of controversy. But rather than degrade an entire generation that’s barely opened the door into corporate America, embrace us and teach us a few things. Get used to the fact that you’re all role models. You’re our “17th grade professors.” I don’t like it anymore than you, but that’s what we need and that’s what you can offer. [...] [...] Being a “Gen-Y Renegade” is okay in my book. We need the rabid animal every once and awhile to stir up a bit of controversy. But rather than degrade an entire generation that’s barely opened the door into corporate America, embrace us and teach us a few things. Get used to the fact that you're all role models. You’re our “17th grade professors.” I don’t like it anymore than you, but that’s what we need and that's what you can offer. [...]

]]> By: Employee Evolution - The Voice of Millennials at Work http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/comment-page-1/#comment-65984 Employee Evolution - The Voice of Millennials at Work Wed, 02 May 2007 02:44:39 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/#comment-65984 [...] Being a “Gen-Y Renegade” is okay in my book. We need the rabid animal every once and awhile to stir up a bit of controversy. But rather than degrade an entire generation that’s barely opened the door into corporate America, embrace us and teach us a few things. Get used to the fact that you’re all role models. You’re our “17th grade professors.” I don’t like it anymore than you, but that’s what we need and that’s what you can offer. [...] [...] Being a “Gen-Y Renegade” is okay in my book. We need the rabid animal every once and awhile to stir up a bit of controversy. But rather than degrade an entire generation that’s barely opened the door into corporate America, embrace us and teach us a few things. Get used to the fact that you're all role models. You’re our “17th grade professors.” I don’t like it anymore than you, but that’s what we need and that's what you can offer. [...]

]]> By: Dirty, Rotten Scammers: A Post for the Recent College Grad « http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/comment-page-1/#comment-58914 Dirty, Rotten Scammers: A Post for the Recent College Grad « Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:54:09 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/17/twentysomething-im-in-17th-grade/#comment-58914 [...] I first learned about the scam companies a few weeks out of college. The add jumped out of the classified in its bold text, perfect bait for any naive “17th grader” fresh out of his vain college surroundings: “ENTRY-LEVEL, COLLEGE GRADS! SALES CAREERS IN MANHATTAN!” I guess I should’ve known better… [...] [...] I first learned about the scam companies a few weeks out of college. The add jumped out of the classified in its bold text, perfect bait for any naive “17th grader” fresh out of his vain college surroundings: “ENTRY-LEVEL, COLLEGE GRADS! SALES CAREERS IN MANHATTAN!” I guess I should’ve known better… [...]

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