Comments on: Paying dues is so old school http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:12:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Choosing the next company you work for: Leverage research about how Gen Y is parenting » Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-139283 Choosing the next company you work for: Leverage research about how Gen Y is parenting » Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:00:30 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-139283 [...] the workplace, these values play out in the quest for lifelong learning. Paying dues is out because the reliance on the certainty of pay-off in the future does not make sense in today’s [...] […] the workplace, these values play out in the quest for lifelong learning. Paying dues is out because the reliance on the certainty of pay-off in the future does not make sense in today’s […]

]]> By: Obama And Today's Workplace | TheJobBored http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-133721 Obama And Today's Workplace | TheJobBored Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:56:55 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-133721 [...] and expectations of “these kids today.” Penelope herself has been quite astute in the past in pointing out how Gen Y workers have a different perspective on office and career [...] […] and expectations of “these kids today.” Penelope herself has been quite astute in the past in pointing out how Gen Y workers have a different perspective on office and career […]

]]> By: MoreNarodyNaSait http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-112825 MoreNarodyNaSait Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:42:36 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-112825 Programma dlia rassilki obievlenii na forumi i blogi baza 170 000 forumov i blogov RU programma Xrumer 4.0! Stoimost 50$ ICQ 374551957 Programma dlia rassilki obievlenii na forumi i blogi baza 170 000 forumov i blogov RU programma Xrumer 4.0! Stoimost 50$ ICQ 374551957

]]> By: codymckibben.com | Experimenting with Career Options http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-110496 codymckibben.com | Experimenting with Career Options Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:11:15 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-110496 [...] I know I haven’t done it for very long compared to some of you, and I haven’t “paid my dues.” But, I know that’s not the life I want. I want to be in control of my own time. I [...] […] I know I haven’t done it for very long compared to some of you, and I haven’t “paid my dues.” But, I know that’s not the life I want. I want to be in control of my own time. I […]

]]> By: Andy, school teacher http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-87972 Andy, school teacher Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:02:34 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-87972 ‘‘You need to know what’s special about you and what makes you different,'’ - great words. In my opinion, climbing to the top is not rewarding after all. It give you some satisfaction and then - oh no! - you are sick, tired and lonely :-) Sometimes our goals don't let us enjoy our life if we don't see anything around except them. And how long are we satisfied? One hour? One day? One weak? That's why I think we should live for today, always listening to our hearts. That's what "paying your dues" means to me. ‘‘You need to know what’s special about you and what makes you different,’’ - great words. In my opinion, climbing to the top is not rewarding after all. It give you some satisfaction and then - oh no! - you are sick, tired and lonely :-) Sometimes our goals don’t let us enjoy our life if we don’t see anything around except them. And how long are we satisfied? One hour? One day? One weak? That’s why I think we should live for today, always listening to our hearts.

That’s what “paying your dues” means to me.

]]> By: balance e-learning to make it worth a damn « booktruck.org http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-71414 balance e-learning to make it worth a damn « booktruck.org Tue, 15 May 2007 18:47:56 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-71414 [...] balance e-learning to make it worth a damn I’ll say it again- although I’m not the sort to identify with management gurus, I keep finding the Brazen Careerist insanely pertinent! And it seems like I’m not the only one- after Jane and I talked about Penelope Trunk’s dues-paying post, she sparked a sizable blog discussion about it. [...] […] balance e-learning to make it worth a damn I’ll say it again- although I’m not the sort to identify with management gurus, I keep finding the Brazen Careerist insanely pertinent! And it seems like I’m not the only one- after Jane and I talked about Penelope Trunk’s dues-paying post, she sparked a sizable blog discussion about it. […]

]]> By: La-La-Librarian » Career path choices http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-66206 La-La-Librarian » Career path choices Wed, 02 May 2007 20:57:36 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-66206 [...] Jane links to a post about Paying your dues being so old school which I also found to be intriguing. It makes me think about what is most important to me in life and in what kind of environment will I best fit in to. [...] […] Jane links to a post about Paying your dues being so old school which I also found to be intriguing. It makes me think about what is most important to me in life and in what kind of environment will I best fit in to. […]

]]> By: Paying your dues - the wrong end of the stick « Removing Complexity http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-61310 Paying your dues - the wrong end of the stick « Removing Complexity Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:23:03 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-61310 [...] I had dinner with some friends at my house last Friday. We had the usual fun, and a couple glasses of wine into the night, we’re all rather chatty. At one point, we hit on work related topics - a different kind of fun, which I usually try not to get drawn into at friendly dinner parties. As you know from my last post (you have read everything at this blog already, right?), I’m giving my opinion more and more on these topics because I’m getting more and more tired of hearing similar stories and letting certain beliefs stand. We hit on the topic of paying dues specifically, and my view is much along the line of Penelope Trunk’s, “Paying dues is so old school.” I’d actually go a step further, though, and say that paying your dues is you getting the wrong end of the stick. [...] […] I had dinner with some friends at my house last Friday. We had the usual fun, and a couple glasses of wine into the night, we’re all rather chatty. At one point, we hit on work related topics - a different kind of fun, which I usually try not to get drawn into at friendly dinner parties. As you know from my last post (you have read everything at this blog already, right?), I’m giving my opinion more and more on these topics because I’m getting more and more tired of hearing similar stories and letting certain beliefs stand. We hit on the topic of paying dues specifically, and my view is much along the line of Penelope Trunk’s, “Paying dues is so old school.” I’d actually go a step further, though, and say that paying your dues is you getting the wrong end of the stick. […]

]]> By: Dean L Heaton http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-58394 Dean L Heaton Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:50:00 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-58394 "Paying your dues" to get that high level position just doesn't cut it today. Dues could now equate to nepotism and shouldn't the top job go to the most qualified person for that job? But if you're happy down below, could "dues" just be seen as the learning period or, in case of an apprenticeship, the period where you learn patience and commitment, and allow those above you to assess your suitability? “Paying your dues” to get that high level position just doesn’t cut it today. Dues could now equate to nepotism and shouldn’t the top job go to the most qualified person for that job?

But if you’re happy down below, could “dues” just be seen as the learning period or, in case of an apprenticeship, the period where you learn patience and commitment, and allow those above you to assess your suitability?

]]> By: A week of journalism: How to move between print and online » Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-58251 A week of journalism: How to move between print and online » Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:26:25 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/15/paying-dues-is-so-old-school/#comment-58251 [...] 1. Understand that it’s about paying dues. And surely you know what I think about paying dues. But you need to work your way up in the print world. Even if you’re great. Sure, there are exceptions, but not so many that you should build a career plan based on them. So if you are doing a lot of work you don’t like doing, and a lot of work you’re not really learning from, you might be on a solid path toward an essay in the New Yorker. [...] […] 1. Understand that it’s about paying dues. And surely you know what I think about paying dues. But you need to work your way up in the print world. Even if you’re great. Sure, there are exceptions, but not so many that you should build a career plan based on them. So if you are doing a lot of work you don’t like doing, and a lot of work you’re not really learning from, you might be on a solid path toward an essay in the New Yorker. […]

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