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	<title>Comments on: This is a replacement post for the post that used to be here</title>
	<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/</link>
	<description>Advice at the intersection of work and life</description>
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		<title>By: A week of journalism: How to move between print and online &#187; Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-60080</link>
		<dc:creator>A week of journalism: How to move between print and online &#187; Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1. Get a voice and have opinions. The world does not need another Associated Press. We already have it. So making a name for yourself online is not going to be about duplicating the reporting that the AP is doing just fine. Online success will be something different. It will be about taking a stand. Even if it turns out to be wrong, just take one. This means you have to unlearn all that impartiality. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 1. Get a voice and have opinions. The world does not need another Associated Press. We already have it. So making a name for yourself online is not going to be about duplicating the reporting that the AP is doing just fine. Online success will be something different. It will be about taking a stand. Even if it turns out to be wrong, just take one. This means you have to unlearn all that impartiality. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-56709</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a regular reader and I must admit I thought the post in question was a bit brusque...

 ...then I read through the link above (powells.com).  Leslie Bennetts really &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; annoying.  But kudos for taking the high road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a regular reader and I must admit I thought the post in question was a bit brusque&#8230;</p>
<p> &#8230;then I read through the link above (powells.com).  Leslie Bennetts really <i>is</i> annoying.  But kudos for taking the high road.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-56669</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-56669</guid>
		<description>And Dr Laura is the most enlightened woman around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Dr Laura is the most enlightened woman around.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-56650</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-56650</guid>
		<description>Leslie Bennetts has been guest blogger on Powells.com this week. She writes about the reactions to her book, The Feminine Mistake. It's an interesting read.

URL: http://www.powells.com/blog/?author=113

Perhaps most interesting is that Penelope Trunk was not the only person to say "fat". Dr. Laura Schlesinger did too apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie Bennetts has been guest blogger on Powells.com this week. She writes about the reactions to her book, The Feminine Mistake. It&#8217;s an interesting read.</p>
<p>URL: <a href="http://www.powells.com/blog/?author=113" rel="nofollow">http://www.powells.com/blog/?author=113</a></p>
<p>Perhaps most interesting is that Penelope Trunk was not the only person to say &#8220;fat&#8221;. Dr. Laura Schlesinger did too apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Papillion</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-54923</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Papillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-54923</guid>
		<description>Ok everyone, I think we're all probably going a bit far with the "let's flog Penelope for the inconsiderate post that most of us didn't even read but are reacting to" stuff. Ms. Trunk said something wrong and inconsiderate. She then made amends by removing the offending post in response to reader outcry. She's expressed regret, and made amends. 

What more do you want?

I'll ask each of you the same thing I asked her when she made the post: have YOU ever said or done anything you later looked back on and regretted? Then how can you bash her for doing that? She's a blogger. She's human. She'll make mistakes. Get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok everyone, I think we&#8217;re all probably going a bit far with the &#8220;let&#8217;s flog Penelope for the inconsiderate post that most of us didn&#8217;t even read but are reacting to&#8221; stuff. Ms. Trunk said something wrong and inconsiderate. She then made amends by removing the offending post in response to reader outcry. She&#8217;s expressed regret, and made amends. </p>
<p>What more do you want?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll ask each of you the same thing I asked her when she made the post: have YOU ever said or done anything you later looked back on and regretted? Then how can you bash her for doing that? She&#8217;s a blogger. She&#8217;s human. She&#8217;ll make mistakes. Get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: buggy</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-54887</link>
		<dc:creator>buggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't feel that you were (just) attacking the woman's character or appearance, and I don't think you felt that way, either. Post or don't post what you wish, of course, but I think it would have been sufficient to change tone rather than retract the whole article, which is the equivilent of taking the 5th (entirely within your rights ... however, now everyone believes you to be guilty of something, they'll just never be sure what it is).

Your whole shtick is about quality of life. You feel that not letting one's corpus go to hell -- independently of how others judge that person visually, but rather as a reflection of one's well-being -- is a big part of that. I don't want to take financial advice from someone with massive credit card debt; you don't want to take QoL advice from someone who has put other things ahead of their health. And that's a super-important point .. this whole super-mommy business is leaving a generation with 0-to-1 parent figures, and everyone is pretending that nothing has to give. I think that myth leaves a lot of people unhappy, and should be refuted where possible.

Rave on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t feel that you were (just) attacking the woman&#8217;s character or appearance, and I don&#8217;t think you felt that way, either. Post or don&#8217;t post what you wish, of course, but I think it would have been sufficient to change tone rather than retract the whole article, which is the equivilent of taking the 5th (entirely within your rights &#8230; however, now everyone believes you to be guilty of something, they&#8217;ll just never be sure what it is).</p>
<p>Your whole shtick is about quality of life. You feel that not letting one&#8217;s corpus go to hell &#8212; independently of how others judge that person visually, but rather as a reflection of one&#8217;s well-being &#8212; is a big part of that. I don&#8217;t want to take financial advice from someone with massive credit card debt; you don&#8217;t want to take QoL advice from someone who has put other things ahead of their health. And that&#8217;s a super-important point .. this whole super-mommy business is leaving a generation with 0-to-1 parent figures, and everyone is pretending that nothing has to give. I think that myth leaves a lot of people unhappy, and should be refuted where possible.</p>
<p>Rave on.</p>
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		<title>By: MC</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-54872</link>
		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed the post, but it sounds like you made the right call in taking it down, and I admire you for admitting that you think you made a mistake and for taking steps to remedy it. If only more bloggers would do that....

Per the reader comments over on your Yahoo column: interesting that you mentioned them. Because it's gotten to where they really piss me off: the ad hominem (no pun intended) personal comments/insults that the women authors get over there on the Yahoo site, versus what the the men authors receive. You get the worst of it, from what I've seen, but Suze and the other women get a reasonable share of it too. 

My scan through the Yahoo comments shows that women authors receive 100% of the "body/appearance" type of comments, and that they also receive the lion's share of the "belittling the author's intelligence/credentials" types of comment ("who does this person think they are, what a moron, she're just a failed flack" type of comments.) I don't consider myself to be hyper-sensitive to this kind of thing...but the contrast is pretty glaring, if you scan the comments threads. Yeah, occasionally somebody will sneer at Robert K or one of the guys. But the majority of negative, insult-type comments are directed at the women. 

I don't come to YPF to read comments about some woman columnist's fuckability according to some dork commenter. I come to YPF for rational, professional information and (hopefully) rational, professional comments. And, given that YPS was intentionally designed to attract more women readers...you would think that allowing commenters to figuratively leer and belittle the women authors, would be something that Yahoo might realize isn't creating an attractive environment for women visitors.   

I live in Silicon Valley and happen to know somebody at Yahoo who's part of the team supporting the Personal Finance site, and I complained to him about the whole thing. I begged this guy to talk to Y! site management and to please not let the comments threads on YPF turn into yet another bottomless pit of venomous sexist crap, like has happened on so many other sites. 

(Note that I have no issue with legitimate criticisms of columns &#38; content -- but I'm not interested in reading personal attacks against people, male or female, such as comments about a person's appearance, sexuality, intelligence, "who the hell does s/he think he is", etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed the post, but it sounds like you made the right call in taking it down, and I admire you for admitting that you think you made a mistake and for taking steps to remedy it. If only more bloggers would do that&#8230;.</p>
<p>Per the reader comments over on your Yahoo column: interesting that you mentioned them. Because it&#8217;s gotten to where they really piss me off: the ad hominem (no pun intended) personal comments/insults that the women authors get over there on the Yahoo site, versus what the the men authors receive. You get the worst of it, from what I&#8217;ve seen, but Suze and the other women get a reasonable share of it too. </p>
<p>My scan through the Yahoo comments shows that women authors receive 100% of the &#8220;body/appearance&#8221; type of comments, and that they also receive the lion&#8217;s share of the &#8220;belittling the author&#8217;s intelligence/credentials&#8221; types of comment (&#8221;who does this person think they are, what a moron, she&#8217;re just a failed flack&#8221; type of comments.) I don&#8217;t consider myself to be hyper-sensitive to this kind of thing&#8230;but the contrast is pretty glaring, if you scan the comments threads. Yeah, occasionally somebody will sneer at Robert K or one of the guys. But the majority of negative, insult-type comments are directed at the women. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t come to YPF to read comments about some woman columnist&#8217;s fuckability according to some dork commenter. I come to YPF for rational, professional information and (hopefully) rational, professional comments. And, given that YPS was intentionally designed to attract more women readers&#8230;you would think that allowing commenters to figuratively leer and belittle the women authors, would be something that Yahoo might realize isn&#8217;t creating an attractive environment for women visitors.   </p>
<p>I live in Silicon Valley and happen to know somebody at Yahoo who&#8217;s part of the team supporting the Personal Finance site, and I complained to him about the whole thing. I begged this guy to talk to Y! site management and to please not let the comments threads on YPF turn into yet another bottomless pit of venomous sexist crap, like has happened on so many other sites. </p>
<p>(Note that I have no issue with legitimate criticisms of columns &amp; content &#8212; but I&#8217;m not interested in reading personal attacks against people, male or female, such as comments about a person&#8217;s appearance, sexuality, intelligence, &#8220;who the hell does s/he think he is&#8221;, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-54819</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lizzie--

Um, is it me? Or didn't Penelope apologize for 10 paragraphs about making the infamous post? Until we have the ability to go back in time and erase mistakes completely, apologies will have to do.

I think we have all said things--in person and in e-mails--we've regretted. From entry level to CEOs. What separates professionals from non, is the ability to recognize mistakes, take responsibility for them, and see that they don't happen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lizzie&#8211;</p>
<p>Um, is it me? Or didn&#8217;t Penelope apologize for 10 paragraphs about making the infamous post? Until we have the ability to go back in time and erase mistakes completely, apologies will have to do.</p>
<p>I think we have all said things&#8211;in person and in e-mails&#8211;we&#8217;ve regretted. From entry level to CEOs. What separates professionals from non, is the ability to recognize mistakes, take responsibility for them, and see that they don&#8217;t happen again.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzie</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-54788</link>
		<dc:creator>Lizzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't see the post (I only read about it on MediaBistro), but I'm stunned that someone who presumes to give career advice would write such a thing. In a normal workplace, a personal attack on a blog would likely get someone fired. 

How can anyone take you seriously as a career advisor if you don't meet the behaviour standards of a mid-level employee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see the post (I only read about it on MediaBistro), but I&#8217;m stunned that someone who presumes to give career advice would write such a thing. In a normal workplace, a personal attack on a blog would likely get someone fired. </p>
<p>How can anyone take you seriously as a career advisor if you don&#8217;t meet the behaviour standards of a mid-level employee?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne M</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/04/08/review-of-boomer-advice-on-blending-kids-and-career-outdated/#comment-54773</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad that you at least took the post down.

However, you've really lost any sense of respect that I had for you if you make that kind of a judgement about someone simply because their body shape is repellent to you.  It has revealed that you are shallow and that your antipathy toward fat people completely clouds your professional judgement.

Signed,

Anne (a size 6 who doesn't think less of people who are size 16 or size 26, something I of course seek to clarify before you dismiss my opinion because you presume that I am SO INCREDIBLY FAT!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that you at least took the post down.</p>
<p>However, you&#8217;ve really lost any sense of respect that I had for you if you make that kind of a judgement about someone simply because their body shape is repellent to you.  It has revealed that you are shallow and that your antipathy toward fat people completely clouds your professional judgement.</p>
<p>Signed,</p>
<p>Anne (a size 6 who doesn&#8217;t think less of people who are size 16 or size 26, something I of course seek to clarify before you dismiss my opinion because you presume that I am SO INCREDIBLY FAT!!!)</p>
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