Comments on: Job hopping: How much is too much? http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:03:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Ron http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-170686 Ron Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:38:30 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-170686 I've just started my 3rd job since college (4 years ago). I stayed at my first job for 3.5 years and left because I was tired of working R&D and wanted to work on something real. However, I made the wrong choice and ended up in a startup with an unprofessional work environment and the projects were misrepresented to me at the interview. I hopped out of there after 6 months and went back to my old company, but in a location clear across the country. How will this job hop hurt me? How will my choice of returning to my old company hurt me? Will I be okay after 1.5 - 2 years? I've just started my 3rd job since college (4 years ago). I stayed at my first job for 3.5 years and left because I was tired of working R&D and wanted to work on something real. However, I made the wrong choice and ended up in a startup with an unprofessional work environment and the projects were misrepresented to me at the interview. I hopped out of there after 6 months and went back to my old company, but in a location clear across the country. How will this job hop hurt me? How will my choice of returning to my old company hurt me? Will I be okay after 1.5 - 2 years?

]]> By: Why only few people are good at sales? « 1000petals http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-149642 Why only few people are good at sales? « 1000petals Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:32:14 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-149642 [...] why there is so much job-hopping in sales? Why so many start and give up? And why the best salesman become [...] [...] why there is so much job-hopping in sales? Why so many start and give up? And why the best salesman become [...]

]]> By: Ryan http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-147061 Ryan Thu, 08 May 2008 18:15:13 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-147061 I have had three jobs since college which was in Dec of 04. I was in the pharmaceutical industry and loved it for about a year. My boss was horrible and my numbers were great. She was trying to push me out so another manager could become a rep and take my territory which would leave me without a job. I chose to resign and to this day I am told I have to many jobs within 5 years and for some reason I can't get back into the industry. I had to take another job that is completely out of my league and out of my passion. How will I get past this? I have had three jobs since college which was in Dec of 04. I was in the pharmaceutical industry and loved it for about a year. My boss was horrible and my numbers were great. She was trying to push me out so another manager could become a rep and take my territory which would leave me without a job. I chose to resign and to this day I am told I have to many jobs within 5 years and for some reason I can't get back into the industry. I had to take another job that is completely out of my league and out of my passion. How will I get past this?

]]> By: 当你没有底牌的时候，如何进行谈判？ - One Leo http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-142884 当你没有底牌的时候，如何进行谈判？ - One Leo Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:02:30 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-142884 [...] you think about negotiating from this vantage point, then you can understand why job hopping is okay in today’s market: the BATNA for young people is stronger than the BATNA for hiring managers. Hiring managers are [...] [...] you think about negotiating from this vantage point, then you can understand why job hopping is okay in today’s market: the BATNA for young people is stronger than the BATNA for hiring managers. Hiring managers are [...]

]]> By: The New Loyalty | mesothelioma http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-138871 The New Loyalty | mesothelioma Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:35:26 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-138871 [...] are quick to point to our so-called demanding nature, general lack of engagement and inclination to job hop as prime examples that illustrate the point. Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always scoffed at [...] [...] are quick to point to our so-called demanding nature, general lack of engagement and inclination to job hop as prime examples that illustrate the point. Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always scoffed at [...]

]]> By: Richmond http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-138652 Richmond Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:06:10 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-138652 Job hopping is an issue dependent on both parties (employee and employer). Perhaps, the employer side is less emphasized that we tend to look at job hopping of employees as negative.I think that we should also look at retention strategies of employers. Employees who are not satisfied with their job sometimes feel that companies don't have sound retention plans. For recruiters, don't blame applicants for their mistakes on choosing companies with poor retention strategies. The only way of knowing the true working conditions is to be part of the company first. It is not something that applicants could easily predict while applying. Once they are there, commitment and loyalty of employees could only be guaranteed by those employers who are willing to provide impressive retention policies. In some cases, the nature of a job also calls for one to be a job hopper especially those engaged in consulting where a certain duration is observed such as 3 months. Similarly, those who have a project-based working condition normally and regularly commit job-hoppping. Employers who are afraid of getting job hoppers may also mean that they are not certain on the retention strategies that they implement, and that is, if there is any. The bottom-line job-hopping should be taken as a condition dependent on retention strategies, job satisfaction, career advancement, and remuneration. Job hopping is an issue dependent on both parties (employee and employer). Perhaps, the employer side is less emphasized that we tend to look at job hopping of employees as negative.I think that we should also look at retention strategies of employers. Employees who are not satisfied with their job sometimes feel that companies don't have sound retention plans.

For recruiters, don't blame applicants for their mistakes on choosing companies with poor retention strategies. The only way of knowing the true working conditions is to be part of the company first. It is not something that applicants could easily predict while applying. Once they are there, commitment and loyalty of employees could only be guaranteed by those employers who are willing to provide impressive retention policies.

In some cases, the nature of a job also calls for one to be a job hopper especially those engaged in consulting where a certain duration is observed such as 3 months. Similarly, those who have a project-based working condition normally and regularly commit job-hoppping.

Employers who are afraid of getting job hoppers may also mean that they are not certain on the retention strategies that they implement, and that is, if there is any.

The bottom-line job-hopping should be taken as a condition dependent on retention strategies, job satisfaction, career advancement, and remuneration.

]]> By: Millennials in the Newsroom : Brazen Careerist http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-138358 Millennials in the Newsroom : Brazen Careerist Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:26:35 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-138358 [...] addition, the expansion of online news is also catering to Gen Y’s job-hopping tendencies. New positions are popping up in many companies that are launching or expanding Web [...] [...] addition, the expansion of online news is also catering to Gen Y's job-hopping tendencies. New positions are popping up in many companies that are launching or expanding Web [...]

]]> By: Joe http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-137259 Joe Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:24:50 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-137259 Say Penelope: You advise people to make frequent career changes...Maybe you should do us a favor and change your career from writing articles that give good people horrendous advise. Say Penelope:

You advise people to make frequent career changes…Maybe you should do us a favor and change your career from writing articles that give good people horrendous advise.

]]> By: Daniel http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-137253 Daniel Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:57:20 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-137253 Folks. I can only accept this advise on a partial level. First and foremost, I would never recommend someone remain at a job they are miserable with, but at some point, I cannot support someone who consistently jumps from job to job in a short time span. Yes, sometimes you accept a position and within a short time; you realize that it's not what you expected it to be. However, consistently being unhappy over and over again at a new job every six months indicates you either can't adapt to a new environment and don't intend on accepting a new challenge. I've been at my current position for three years now and recently interviewed for another position for a different company. I got a lot of negative vibe from my interviewer when she said, "So, it looks like you have a lot of good going on for you; why would want to leave?" This was also after I explained why since 2001 I've worked for three other companies...Yes, I understand everyone's experiences are unique, but after several interviews, I get the feeling the most of these potential employers get that "job hopper" flag when they look at my resume. Some companies don't care if they hire job-hoppers, but that could also explain why they have high turnover. Most good companies take pride in who they are hiring, so they're not going to waste their energy and money hiring short-timers who are going to sit around for a paycheck and leave after a few months. Folks. I can only accept this advise on a partial level. First and foremost, I would never recommend someone remain at a job they are miserable with, but at some point, I cannot support someone who consistently jumps from job to job in a short time span. Yes, sometimes you accept a position and within a short time; you realize that it's not what you expected it to be. However, consistently being unhappy over and over again at a new job every six months indicates you either can't adapt to a new environment and don't intend on accepting a new challenge. I've been at my current position for three years now and recently interviewed for another position for a different company. I got a lot of negative vibe from my interviewer when she said, "So, it looks like you have a lot of good going on for you; why would want to leave?" This was also after I explained why since 2001 I've worked for three other companies…Yes, I understand everyone's experiences are unique, but after several interviews, I get the feeling the most of these potential employers get that "job hopper" flag when they look at my resume. Some companies don't care if they hire job-hoppers, but that could also explain why they have high turnover. Most good companies take pride in who they are hiring, so they're not going to waste their energy and money hiring short-timers who are going to sit around for a paycheck and leave after a few months.

]]> By: amit http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-136982 amit Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:19:25 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/02/14/reader-asks-about-job-hopping-how-much-is-too-much/#comment-136982 This article is really good and really helped me to understand job hoppers. I appreciate the way job hopping is justified. This article is really good and really helped me to understand job hoppers. I appreciate the way job hopping is justified.

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