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	<title>Comments on: Dealing with social awkwardness at work: Insights from the autism community</title>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/01/21/learn-from-autism-how-to-deal-with-social-awkwardness-at-work/comment-page-1/#comment-223929</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread is very old but it fits my problem perfectly. I have been out in the &quot;real world&quot; and have had jobs that involve social skills, and those that do not. The jobs I&#039;ve been able to get have all been poor quality jobs that people just hire you to fill up space. I&#039;m in college now, and I don&#039;t know how I&#039;ll be able to get past an interview with my poor social abilities. I can handle one person at a time, but not when I first meet them. More than one and I go completely quiet because it just seems like too much is going on or something. The solution you offer is to just put yourself in situations that allow you to minimize the people in the room. What am I supposed to do? Tell my boss &quot;only one person allowed in my office at a time?&quot; I think they may escort me out of the building. My GPA is 3.95 and I&#039;m at the end of my sophomore year, but it will not matter since the world revolves around communication. I don&#039;t know the point of my comment, perhaps someone has some advice or something. I just came across this thread by searching through careers for the anti-social. They all pay shit wages btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread is very old but it fits my problem perfectly. I have been out in the &#034;real world&#034; and have had jobs that involve social skills, and those that do not. The jobs I&#039;ve been able to get have all been poor quality jobs that people just hire you to fill up space. I&#039;m in college now, and I don&#039;t know how I&#039;ll be able to get past an interview with my poor social abilities. I can handle one person at a time, but not when I first meet them. More than one and I go completely quiet because it just seems like too much is going on or something. The solution you offer is to just put yourself in situations that allow you to minimize the people in the room. What am I supposed to do? Tell my boss &#034;only one person allowed in my office at a time?&#034; I think they may escort me out of the building. My GPA is 3.95 and I&#039;m at the end of my sophomore year, but it will not matter since the world revolves around communication. I don&#039;t know the point of my comment, perhaps someone has some advice or something. I just came across this thread by searching through careers for the anti-social. They all pay shit wages btw.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, while you&#039;re on the subject, does anyone have any good books about how to &quot;be social&quot; for people who are wicked aspergers?

I&#039;m less interested in reading articles and pointing out how they&#039;re so-totally-completely about me!!! and more interested in finding a resource to identify and suppress the aspects of my personality that people find unsavory at will. Example by example. Mind you, I like me, but in a lot of situations I have no idea what I&#039;m doing since nothing comes naturally. I don&#039;t know when to say hi, when to say bye, when I should talk about so and so holiday everyone cares about that&#039;s coming up. Asking people about their vacations. And it goes on. It occurs to me that I don&#039;t say &quot;I hope you feel better&quot; to someone because I know my opinion or hopes have no tangible effect on reality, and if someone said that to me I&#039;d basically just filter it out as being irrelevant like some kind of crazy robot, but to a normal person I bet they think my silence is actually me wishing them the plague? And so forth.

RE: Francesca, I have had that point brought up to me when I made my discovery. That I&#039;m just making an excuse up to be a jerk.

The hilarious thing about having aspergers is, people who don&#039;t have it assume that you inform them because you want empathy, which in their mind you do not deserve since it&#039;s not like you&#039;ve got a truckload of it -- when in fact you just want to explain to them your astounding discovery. 

That probably doesn&#039;t make sense to you, because you&#039;re not from outer space. But it makes sense to someone, I assure you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, while you&#039;re on the subject, does anyone have any good books about how to &#034;be social&#034; for people who are wicked aspergers?</p>
<p>I&#039;m less interested in reading articles and pointing out how they&#039;re so-totally-completely about me!!! and more interested in finding a resource to identify and suppress the aspects of my personality that people find unsavory at will. Example by example. Mind you, I like me, but in a lot of situations I have no idea what I&#039;m doing since nothing comes naturally. I don&#039;t know when to say hi, when to say bye, when I should talk about so and so holiday everyone cares about that&#039;s coming up. Asking people about their vacations. And it goes on. It occurs to me that I don&#039;t say &#034;I hope you feel better&#034; to someone because I know my opinion or hopes have no tangible effect on reality, and if someone said that to me I&#039;d basically just filter it out as being irrelevant like some kind of crazy robot, but to a normal person I bet they think my silence is actually me wishing them the plague? And so forth.</p>
<p>RE: Francesca, I have had that point brought up to me when I made my discovery. That I&#039;m just making an excuse up to be a jerk.</p>
<p>The hilarious thing about having aspergers is, people who don&#039;t have it assume that you inform them because you want empathy, which in their mind you do not deserve since it&#039;s not like you&#039;ve got a truckload of it &#8212; when in fact you just want to explain to them your astounding discovery. </p>
<p>That probably doesn&#039;t make sense to you, because you&#039;re not from outer space. But it makes sense to someone, I assure you.</p>
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		<title>By: Francesca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francesca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this was just called being an insensitive jerk, but everybody has a disability now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was just called being an insensitive jerk, but everybody has a disability now.</p>
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		<title>By: Gadhadhraya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadhadhraya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Newbie, I am always searching online for articles that can help me. Thank you</description>
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		<title>By: Writing without typos is totally outdated &#187; Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writing without typos is totally outdated &#187; Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many people with dyslexia are very smart. Most kids who win spelling bees have many signs of Asperger&#8217;s syndrome (see the documentary on this, which I love). This means that many amazing spellers actually have brains that are developing intellectual skills (in this case, spelling skills) at the expense of social skills. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Many people with dyslexia are very smart. Most kids who win spelling bees have many signs of Asperger&#039;s syndrome (see the documentary on this, which I love). This means that many amazing spellers actually have brains that are developing intellectual skills (in this case, spelling skills) at the expense of social skills. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jrandom42</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/01/21/learn-from-autism-how-to-deal-with-social-awkwardness-at-work/comment-page-1/#comment-133868</link>
		<dc:creator>jrandom42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘The point is that people judge your work skills as incompetent if you are not likeable — no matter what your work skills are.’

Tell you what. When the company is losing a million dollars for every hour the corporate network is down, I&#039;ll just let the much more likeable, but totally clueless and incompetent co worker fix it himself.

We&#039;ll see how much of the company is left when he gets it done.

Thanks for making it acceptable for management to discriminate against us Aspies, for as long as the companies manage to survive the rule of the likeable but incompetent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘The point is that people judge your work skills as incompetent if you are not likeable — no matter what your work skills are.’</p>
<p>Tell you what. When the company is losing a million dollars for every hour the corporate network is down, I&#039;ll just let the much more likeable, but totally clueless and incompetent co worker fix it himself.</p>
<p>We&#039;ll see how much of the company is left when he gets it done.</p>
<p>Thanks for making it acceptable for management to discriminate against us Aspies, for as long as the companies manage to survive the rule of the likeable but incompetent.</p>
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		<title>By: The art of socialising &#171; Blabber</title>
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		<dc:creator>The art of socialising &#171; Blabber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So help your kids to form intimate relationships with peers, and help yourself, too. In fact, as an adult you can learn how to compensate for lack of social skills by watching how schools are teaching the kids to do it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So help your kids to form intimate relationships with peers, and help yourself, too. In fact, as an adult you can learn how to compensate for lack of social skills by watching how schools are teaching the kids to do it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: annalaura brown</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/01/21/learn-from-autism-how-to-deal-with-social-awkwardness-at-work/comment-page-1/#comment-60718</link>
		<dc:creator>annalaura brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Post, I agree that children on the autism spectrum need to be taught to ephasize their strengths and to compensate for their weaknesses. My parents did a great job with this with me and I think that is one of the reasons I am doing so well as an adult today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Post, I agree that children on the autism spectrum need to be taught to ephasize their strengths and to compensate for their weaknesses. My parents did a great job with this with me and I think that is one of the reasons I am doing so well as an adult today.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the article but I have to disagree with the statement: &#039;The point is that people judge your work skills as incompetent if you are not likeable — no matter what your work skills are.&#039;

I think this varies a lot depending on the environment. I work in an engineering organization where (at least at the low/mid levels) having the right answer is paramount to anything else. There are quite a few people who can be very difficult to deal with. They go unchecked because they are among the best in the company at what they do. Their ability is never questioned and they are consistently called into projects that demand quality. The bottom line seems to be: A lot is tolerated if you can produce the goods. I find this consistent in a lot of companies with engineers.

* * * * * * *
&lt;em&gt;Joe, current management research shows that companys suffer  more than they benefit from keeping around a genius who is difficult to deal with. Bob Sutton, professor at Stanford, has a bunch of this research in his new book The No Asshole Rule. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;The people who always have the right answer always think they are the exception. But they are not. In order to maintain a highly productive workplace, everyone needs to be nice to eachother, not just the dumb people.

--Penelope&lt;/I&gt;

&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the article but I have to disagree with the statement: &#039;The point is that people judge your work skills as incompetent if you are not likeable — no matter what your work skills are.&#039;</p>
<p>I think this varies a lot depending on the environment. I work in an engineering organization where (at least at the low/mid levels) having the right answer is paramount to anything else. There are quite a few people who can be very difficult to deal with. They go unchecked because they are among the best in the company at what they do. Their ability is never questioned and they are consistently called into projects that demand quality. The bottom line seems to be: A lot is tolerated if you can produce the goods. I find this consistent in a lot of companies with engineers.</p>
<p>* * * * * * *<br />
<em>Joe, current management research shows that companys suffer  more than they benefit from keeping around a genius who is difficult to deal with. Bob Sutton, professor at Stanford, has a bunch of this research in his new book The No Asshole Rule. </em><em>The people who always have the right answer always think they are the exception. But they are not. In order to maintain a highly productive workplace, everyone needs to be nice to eachother, not just the dumb people.</p>
<p>&#8211;Penelope</p>
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		<title>By: The one skill you need for three key areas of career growth &#187; Brazen Careerist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The one skill you need for three key areas of career growth &#187; Brazen Careerist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 20:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another example is the new definition of what make a child a special needs student. Today many children who can read at age three are tagged as needing extra help in school because of signs of poorly developing social skills. Fifteen years ago those kids would have slipped through the system as eccentric geniuses. Today social skills are seen as so important to an education that they supersede IQ in terms of educational placement. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another example is the new definition of what make a child a special needs student. Today many children who can read at age three are tagged as needing extra help in school because of signs of poorly developing social skills. Fifteen years ago those kids would have slipped through the system as eccentric geniuses. Today social skills are seen as so important to an education that they supersede IQ in terms of educational placement. [...]</p>
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