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	<title>Comments on: Be nimble and creative to grow a career in &#039;The Conceptual Age&#039;</title>
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	<description>Advice at the intersection of work and life</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-04-04 &#124; Adam Crowe</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/01/02/be-nimble-and-creative-to-grow-a-career-in-the-conceptual-age/#comment-140496</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-04-04 &#124; Adam Crowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brazen Careerist - Be nimble and creative to grow a career in ‘The Conceptual Age’ &#8220;Several years ago, I formed a Board of Directors for my career. They treated me like a business entity and almost overnight my life changed (for the better). I can certainly see why people in the entertainment business have agents.&#8221; (tags: career management agencyagency business businessmodel startup startists) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Brazen Careerist - Be nimble and creative to grow a career in ‘The Conceptual Age’ &#034;Several years ago, I formed a Board of Directors for my career. They treated me like a business entity and almost overnight my life changed (for the better). I can certainly see why people in the entertainment business have agents.&#034; (tags: career management agencyagency business businessmodel startup startists) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a company is currently paying you a six-figure income, what makes you think another company won't?  Too often, we underestimate our own market value and sell ourselves short.  

Several years ago, I formed a Board of Directors for my career.  They treated me like a business entity and almost overnight my life changed (for the better).  This gives me an objective measuring stick for what I'm worth and a great bargaining device.  I can certainly see why people in the entertainment business have agents.

If you truly are a "productive" employee, you're in great demand.

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a company is currently paying you a six-figure income, what makes you think another company won&#039;t?  Too often, we underestimate our own market value and sell ourselves short.  </p>
<p>Several years ago, I formed a Board of Directors for my career.  They treated me like a business entity and almost overnight my life changed (for the better).  This gives me an objective measuring stick for what I&#039;m worth and a great bargaining device.  I can certainly see why people in the entertainment business have agents.</p>
<p>If you truly are a &#034;productive&#034; employee, you&#039;re in great demand.</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: MyNameIsMatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyNameIsMatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 00:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn't trying to say that you were against outsourcing, but added to the comments in the article on the topic.  Also, I get what you mean with the ease of finding work at different salary levels, although, from my own (be it anecdotal) experience, it's harder getting in/moving around at the bottom than higher up, but that probably changes from field to field as there are changing pressures on entry level demand and supply.

When I wrote "a well dried up" I meant it more in that the easy gains from outsourcing that were once there aren't there any more.  Considering India, the wages for tech workers is almost equal to the global/US wage rate, and with higher turnover vs. US and lower productivity vs. US, the costs are now about at an equilibrium.

There are definitely plenty of educated, smart, and creative people to be found in foreign countries (and I'm more specifically thinking developing countries), but there are few places in the US let alone the world that can compare to the mecca of the Bay area (Silicon Valley) and the runner up Boston area.  (Arguably) 70% of the top schools in the world are in those two areas, and they're surrounded by a similar corporate and local infrastructure to match.  Places like India and China could develop similar hot spots, but they have to make that a goal, and even then, it would take decades to even enter the playing field.

End note: that Bangladesh shipbreaker story rather interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#039;t trying to say that you were against outsourcing, but added to the comments in the article on the topic.  Also, I get what you mean with the ease of finding work at different salary levels, although, from my own (be it anecdotal) experience, it&#039;s harder getting in/moving around at the bottom than higher up, but that probably changes from field to field as there are changing pressures on entry level demand and supply.</p>
<p>When I wrote &#034;a well dried up&#034; I meant it more in that the easy gains from outsourcing that were once there aren&#039;t there any more.  Considering India, the wages for tech workers is almost equal to the global/US wage rate, and with higher turnover vs. US and lower productivity vs. US, the costs are now about at an equilibrium.</p>
<p>There are definitely plenty of educated, smart, and creative people to be found in foreign countries (and I&#039;m more specifically thinking developing countries), but there are few places in the US let alone the world that can compare to the mecca of the Bay area (Silicon Valley) and the runner up Boston area.  (Arguably) 70% of the top schools in the world are in those two areas, and they&#039;re surrounded by a similar corporate and local infrastructure to match.  Places like India and China could develop similar hot spots, but they have to make that a goal, and even then, it would take decades to even enter the playing field.</p>
<p>End note: that Bangladesh shipbreaker story rather interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Atkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I'm a big "fan" of outsourcing and I don't believe the well has dried up at all. Foreign countries do have the level and quality of education necessary to compete with us and in many cases, their people are more motivated. Creativity abounds. See my posts at:
http://blog.davewrites.com/index.php?cat=19

My point with the 50 to 100K thing is that when you reach the 100K level, it can become harder to find opportunities as quickly if things fall through at your company. So the real challenge for us is to be in a state of perpetual readiness without stressing out about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#039;m a big &#034;fan&#034; of outsourcing and I don&#039;t believe the well has dried up at all. Foreign countries do have the level and quality of education necessary to compete with us and in many cases, their people are more motivated. Creativity abounds. See my posts at:<br />
<a href="http://blog.davewrites.com/index.php?cat=19" rel="nofollow">http://blog.davewrites.com/index.php?cat=19</a></p>
<p>My point with the 50 to 100K thing is that when you reach the 100K level, it can become harder to find opportunities as quickly if things fall through at your company. So the real challenge for us is to be in a state of perpetual readiness without stressing out about it.</p>
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		<title>By: MyNameIsMatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyNameIsMatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I wouldn't limit being nimble and creative to skipping from cool job to cool job.  You can certainly do this within a company, either in a new position in larger organizations or adjusting your role in a smaller one.  Either way, these are key for climbing the ladder (and getting the six figure salary) and anyone that prefers the security of a stable environment is least likely to achieve that.  Also, if you can be successful at jumping from cool job to cool job, then you definitely won't be stuck at the $50k level as each job will have you learning new things and growing.  This puts you in high demand and hence higher salary.

My one addition to the "don't fear outsourcing" is that outsourcing is basically a dried up well now.  Foreign countries don't have the level and quality of education that we have in the US.  All the good people have been grabbed up (and many have moved to the US), and what's left are people who are either uneducated or memorization bots who can't be creative.  They simply don't have the infrastructure nor the culture that breeds the quality of information/intellectual workers/thinkers that we have in the US.

On top of that, we only benefit as the job market improves (and provides more competition).  As entry level labor costs come down, more companies will be willing to do more with that labor, and more opportunities will open up for economic gain.  Where economic gain is stimulated, all levels benefit as higher paid positions are required for managing and working with the non-entry level parts of a job.  The people at the top are the nimble and creative ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I wouldn&#039;t limit being nimble and creative to skipping from cool job to cool job.  You can certainly do this within a company, either in a new position in larger organizations or adjusting your role in a smaller one.  Either way, these are key for climbing the ladder (and getting the six figure salary) and anyone that prefers the security of a stable environment is least likely to achieve that.  Also, if you can be successful at jumping from cool job to cool job, then you definitely won&#039;t be stuck at the $50k level as each job will have you learning new things and growing.  This puts you in high demand and hence higher salary.</p>
<p>My one addition to the &#034;don&#039;t fear outsourcing&#034; is that outsourcing is basically a dried up well now.  Foreign countries don&#039;t have the level and quality of education that we have in the US.  All the good people have been grabbed up (and many have moved to the US), and what&#039;s left are people who are either uneducated or memorization bots who can&#039;t be creative.  They simply don&#039;t have the infrastructure nor the culture that breeds the quality of information/intellectual workers/thinkers that we have in the US.</p>
<p>On top of that, we only benefit as the job market improves (and provides more competition).  As entry level labor costs come down, more companies will be willing to do more with that labor, and more opportunities will open up for economic gain.  Where economic gain is stimulated, all levels benefit as higher paid positions are required for managing and working with the non-entry level parts of a job.  The people at the top are the nimble and creative ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Atkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tough part is "operationalizing" the details. If you can afford to live on a $50K/year salary, then it is easy to hop around from one creative job to another and you will always be in demand as cheap, versatile labor. But as you get older and more experienced--and need a six figure income to afford to live in the type of area where these jobs are--it gets more challenging. Looking back in retrospect, the nimbleness and creativity is key to success, but it is often very difficult to see how to get from one position to another when you need to do so. And once you have a family, you just can't blithely say you'll just find another job. Can you really afford to be unemployed for 6-9 months or more until you find another job? You can try to look at it as if you are an entrepreneur, but the reality is that most people do not want to be entrepreneurs--they want a guaranteed paycheck so they are not constantly worrying about how to keep health insurance going and food on the table.

I completely agree with the points in this post, but it is a lot easier to do so once you have a job. When you are looking, the advice to be nimble and creative is hard to act on and hard to translate into specific details that will get you a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tough part is &#034;operationalizing&#034; the details. If you can afford to live on a $50K/year salary, then it is easy to hop around from one creative job to another and you will always be in demand as cheap, versatile labor. But as you get older and more experienced&#8211;and need a six figure income to afford to live in the type of area where these jobs are&#8211;it gets more challenging. Looking back in retrospect, the nimbleness and creativity is key to success, but it is often very difficult to see how to get from one position to another when you need to do so. And once you have a family, you just can&#039;t blithely say you&#039;ll just find another job. Can you really afford to be unemployed for 6-9 months or more until you find another job? You can try to look at it as if you are an entrepreneur, but the reality is that most people do not want to be entrepreneurs&#8211;they want a guaranteed paycheck so they are not constantly worrying about how to keep health insurance going and food on the table.</p>
<p>I completely agree with the points in this post, but it is a lot easier to do so once you have a job. When you are looking, the advice to be nimble and creative is hard to act on and hard to translate into specific details that will get you a job.</p>
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