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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang! I think this is grammatical more accurate -
&quot;Life&#039;s hard, if you aren&#039;t flexible it&#039;ll break you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang! I think this is grammatical more accurate -<br />
&#034;Life&#039;s hard, if you aren&#039;t flexible it&#039;ll break you.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Disegno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Disegno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not quite sure how to comment on this:
I see your point of view - the personal view that you find these parties boring because you feel out of place due to the religious significance of the occasion but still feel the need to attend to it out of an obligation to your career. And the (professional?) view that religious expression at the work place isn&#039;t conducive to both the workers and the business.

I am sure everyone can relate to your frustration of having to attend something you don&#039;t want to, especially at the work place. But more on this later ... 

I&#039;ve got something very interesting to tell you about the latter point of view - in India, in Government offices, both religious and POLITICAL expressions are allowed. 

See, the employees are legally allowed to form unions, and most often then not, it is the political parties themselves that organize these unions. You might think it&#039;s a sure fire recipe for disaster. But everyone still gets along for (what I think) are three major reasons - (1) the act of joining and being a member of a union is itself a very loud expression of your political view, so there is no need to bring it to work (2) The government employees understand that they are public servants and while they can have public political views, they know that the public does not appreciate not being served; so if they don&#039;t get along professionally they know they&#039;ll face public ire which could cause them their job. (3) The employees also learn fast that while they can have political views, paying public patronage to them isn&#039;t very conducive to their career as governments and political views often change in a democratic system. 

Religion - well, unlike western countries that define secularism as creating a wall between the state and the church, we in India define it more in terms of religious freedom, inclusiveness and understanding. So you can sport religious symbols freely, even in private firms. And westerners might be really surprised on finding idols, pictures or even religious ceremonies (in some cases) at work places reflecting on the religious beliefs of the owner of the firm. (Ofcourse, expression of political belief at private firms are frowned upon - and sometimes harshly opposed, but expressions of religious beliefs by the employees are allowed).

(In fact, while most of the western world struggles with keeping the church separate from the political state, in India the struggle is between the secular and the communal. More on indian secularism - http://www.milligazette.com/dailyupdate/2006/20060623_secular_india.htm - and if you read the wikipedia article on the same subject ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India ) written and edited by right-wingers, and compare the two article you&#039;ll understand what I mean that the struggle is between the secular and the communal in India.)

Ok, back to your first point - perhaps it is more about your values and beliefs. One - you are quite religious and any religious person would find the in-you-face-salvation-from-christ-only type of christianity increasingly being practiced by Christians to be quite disconcerting (to be impolite, repulsive). 

Two - The emphasis you place on your career and your &quot;obligation&quot; to your career. Is it realistic? Would it really harm your career if you don&#039;t attend one party? Is there an alternative to attending the party (I can think of one - buy gifts and card and wish your Christian co-workers a merry Christmas. Don&#039;t attend the party, when asked make an excuse. Trust me, a good gift is sometimes more welcomed then the company of the giftee ;), so people won&#039;t mind it much).  You may need to re-evaluate this belief - perhaps you may find that paying a little less emphasis on your work and career might make you a little more happier (wow shocking, I know! :) ... I just feel that you equate your self-worth too much with being productive (and not just at work).

Final thoughts - if you can&#039;t change facts, the only thing you can do is change your attitude. My motto - Life&#039;s hard, if you aren&#039;t flexible, it&#039;ll break you.

(God that&#039;s long, no time to review for grammar or typos - so don&#039;t judge all you language fanatics :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite sure how to comment on this:<br />
I see your point of view &#8211; the personal view that you find these parties boring because you feel out of place due to the religious significance of the occasion but still feel the need to attend to it out of an obligation to your career. And the (professional?) view that religious expression at the work place isn&#039;t conducive to both the workers and the business.</p>
<p>I am sure everyone can relate to your frustration of having to attend something you don&#039;t want to, especially at the work place. But more on this later &#8230; </p>
<p>I&#039;ve got something very interesting to tell you about the latter point of view &#8211; in India, in Government offices, both religious and POLITICAL expressions are allowed. </p>
<p>See, the employees are legally allowed to form unions, and most often then not, it is the political parties themselves that organize these unions. You might think it&#039;s a sure fire recipe for disaster. But everyone still gets along for (what I think) are three major reasons &#8211; (1) the act of joining and being a member of a union is itself a very loud expression of your political view, so there is no need to bring it to work (2) The government employees understand that they are public servants and while they can have public political views, they know that the public does not appreciate not being served; so if they don&#039;t get along professionally they know they&#039;ll face public ire which could cause them their job. (3) The employees also learn fast that while they can have political views, paying public patronage to them isn&#039;t very conducive to their career as governments and political views often change in a democratic system. </p>
<p>Religion &#8211; well, unlike western countries that define secularism as creating a wall between the state and the church, we in India define it more in terms of religious freedom, inclusiveness and understanding. So you can sport religious symbols freely, even in private firms. And westerners might be really surprised on finding idols, pictures or even religious ceremonies (in some cases) at work places reflecting on the religious beliefs of the owner of the firm. (Ofcourse, expression of political belief at private firms are frowned upon &#8211; and sometimes harshly opposed, but expressions of religious beliefs by the employees are allowed).</p>
<p>(In fact, while most of the western world struggles with keeping the church separate from the political state, in India the struggle is between the secular and the communal. More on indian secularism &#8211; <a href="http://www.milligazette.com/dailyupdate/2006/20060623_secular_india.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.milligazette.com/dailyupdate/2006/20060623_secular_india.htm</a> &#8211; and if you read the wikipedia article on the same subject ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India</a> ) written and edited by right-wingers, and compare the two article you&#039;ll understand what I mean that the struggle is between the secular and the communal in India.)</p>
<p>Ok, back to your first point &#8211; perhaps it is more about your values and beliefs. One &#8211; you are quite religious and any religious person would find the in-you-face-salvation-from-christ-only type of christianity increasingly being practiced by Christians to be quite disconcerting (to be impolite, repulsive). </p>
<p>Two &#8211; The emphasis you place on your career and your &#034;obligation&#034; to your career. Is it realistic? Would it really harm your career if you don&#039;t attend one party? Is there an alternative to attending the party (I can think of one &#8211; buy gifts and card and wish your Christian co-workers a merry Christmas. Don&#039;t attend the party, when asked make an excuse. Trust me, a good gift is sometimes more welcomed then the company of the giftee ;), so people won&#039;t mind it much).  You may need to re-evaluate this belief &#8211; perhaps you may find that paying a little less emphasis on your work and career might make you a little more happier (wow shocking, I know! :) &#8230; I just feel that you equate your self-worth too much with being productive (and not just at work).</p>
<p>Final thoughts &#8211; if you can&#039;t change facts, the only thing you can do is change your attitude. My motto &#8211; Life&#039;s hard, if you aren&#039;t flexible, it&#039;ll break you.</p>
<p>(God that&#039;s long, no time to review for grammar or typos &#8211; so don&#039;t judge all you language fanatics :).</p>
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		<title>By: The Niltiac Files &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The &#8216;true&#8217; meaning of Christmas (it&#8217;s not what you think)</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Niltiac Files &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The &#8216;true&#8217; meaning of Christmas (it&#8217;s not what you think)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up by anti-Christmas spirit over on Penelope Trunk&#8217;s blog. She did this last year and the year before too and I know I should totally be zen about it but I feel compelled to respond. This year I [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>british boxing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi nice site some great post interesting read with very useful information will visit again</p>
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		<title>By: RICO</title>
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		<dc:creator>RICO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CONGRADULATIONS. I UNDERSTAND, WHY SHOULD YOU BE PART CELEBRATING THE BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST. AFTER ALL HE WAS ONLY ANOTHER JEW. WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO WITH ME. HE&#039;S NOT MY SAVIOR OR MESSIAH, ONLY TO THOSE CHRISTIANS. THE ONLY PROBLEM I SEE IS THAT YOUR BIBLE TALKS ABOUT THE  MESSIAH, WHEN HE WILL COME AND CAME. THERE IS ENOUGH PROOF IN YOUR BIBLE THAT HE ALREADY CAME. SO NOW WHAT. CAN YOU KEEP THE JEWISH LAW IN IT ENTIRETY, I DON&#039;T THINK SO, DO YOU STILL HAVE THE RABBI FORGIVE THE SINS FOR ALL. GOD IS YOUR FATHER, DID HE LIE ABOUT HIS SON? DID THE JEWS IN THE ANCIENT OF DAY ALSO LIE? YOU DECIDE, BUT IF YOUR WRONG I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE WHEN YOU DIE WOULD OF MISSED THE BOAT TO HEAVEN. THE ONLY WAY THERE IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CONGRADULATIONS. I UNDERSTAND, WHY SHOULD YOU BE PART CELEBRATING THE BIRTH OF JESUS CHRIST. AFTER ALL HE WAS ONLY ANOTHER JEW. WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO DO WITH ME. HE&#039;S NOT MY SAVIOR OR MESSIAH, ONLY TO THOSE CHRISTIANS. THE ONLY PROBLEM I SEE IS THAT YOUR BIBLE TALKS ABOUT THE  MESSIAH, WHEN HE WILL COME AND CAME. THERE IS ENOUGH PROOF IN YOUR BIBLE THAT HE ALREADY CAME. SO NOW WHAT. CAN YOU KEEP THE JEWISH LAW IN IT ENTIRETY, I DON&#039;T THINK SO, DO YOU STILL HAVE THE RABBI FORGIVE THE SINS FOR ALL. GOD IS YOUR FATHER, DID HE LIE ABOUT HIS SON? DID THE JEWS IN THE ANCIENT OF DAY ALSO LIE? YOU DECIDE, BUT IF YOUR WRONG I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE WHEN YOU DIE WOULD OF MISSED THE BOAT TO HEAVEN. THE ONLY WAY THERE IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Orvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly Orvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont understand if we are creating &quot;diversity&quot; int he workplace, why that means those of us that DO celebrate Christmas have to give up our traditions in favor of those who don&#039;t. There has to be a happy medium in every facet of diversity - not just at work but everywhere. Don&#039;t take down the wreaths, instead put up diverse decorations to make everyone feel included. As for those that don&#039;t, then don&#039;t celebrate - noone is saying you have to - but don&#039;t ask me to take down my wreath because you don&#039;t. that would be dicrimination against me ...wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont understand if we are creating &#034;diversity&#034; int he workplace, why that means those of us that DO celebrate Christmas have to give up our traditions in favor of those who don&#039;t. There has to be a happy medium in every facet of diversity &#8211; not just at work but everywhere. Don&#039;t take down the wreaths, instead put up diverse decorations to make everyone feel included. As for those that don&#039;t, then don&#039;t celebrate &#8211; noone is saying you have to &#8211; but don&#039;t ask me to take down my wreath because you don&#039;t. that would be dicrimination against me &#8230;wouldn&#039;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Babb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my task to create a winter holiday e-card for my college that would be appropriate for all the intended recipients--Jew and Gentile, Pagan and Christian, dove and hawk, Atheist and Vitalist, mixed and straight, etc, etc, etc. 

Personally as a pagan, Santa, reindeer and such are not religious, but secular symbols, not related to the winter solstice, but of the general madness of hallowthanksmasnewsuperday. 

I&#039;d really like some suggestions that would be inclusive, diverse, appropriate, and for my personal taste, humorous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s my task to create a winter holiday e-card for my college that would be appropriate for all the intended recipients&#8211;Jew and Gentile, Pagan and Christian, dove and hawk, Atheist and Vitalist, mixed and straight, etc, etc, etc. </p>
<p>Personally as a pagan, Santa, reindeer and such are not religious, but secular symbols, not related to the winter solstice, but of the general madness of hallowthanksmasnewsuperday. </p>
<p>I&#039;d really like some suggestions that would be inclusive, diverse, appropriate, and for my personal taste, humorous.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I&#039;m not repeating someone as I tired of reading the comments but this is a perfect example of the crap that is taking over the world.   Diversity is just the opposite of what you are suggesting.  It is not doing nothing because something affends everyone, it is finding value in everything.  Tough crap if you don&#039;t enjoy Xmas.  Tough crap if you don&#039;t enjoy the 4th of July or Thanksgiving.   The logical conclusion one might draw is the elimination of company holidays replaced with vacation days.  Instead of complaining, why can&#039;t you see this as a time when many people are happy (which is good for everyone) and a day off.  Your like a vegetarian who gets pissed because people eat meat, suck it up and do your own thing.  And no I wouldn&#039;t mind getting vegetarian day off each year eventhough I eat meat at least 2X per day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I&#039;m not repeating someone as I tired of reading the comments but this is a perfect example of the crap that is taking over the world.   Diversity is just the opposite of what you are suggesting.  It is not doing nothing because something affends everyone, it is finding value in everything.  Tough crap if you don&#039;t enjoy Xmas.  Tough crap if you don&#039;t enjoy the 4th of July or Thanksgiving.   The logical conclusion one might draw is the elimination of company holidays replaced with vacation days.  Instead of complaining, why can&#039;t you see this as a time when many people are happy (which is good for everyone) and a day off.  Your like a vegetarian who gets pissed because people eat meat, suck it up and do your own thing.  And no I wouldn&#039;t mind getting vegetarian day off each year eventhough I eat meat at least 2X per day.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is what did in for me and at the execs at Yahoo.  Obviously you hate Christians and Christmas.  </description>
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		<title>By: Rod Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On &quot;diversity&quot; - we are all much more like each other than we are different. Maybe being so hung up on the prepackaged diversity ethic has something to do with your being so embittered/isolated?

And as for office productivity going up when the Christmas decorations go out, isn&#039;t that pandering to the bean counters, i.e., providing a fiscal imperative for chopping out holly and the ivy? Isn&#039;t that sort of shallow and disingenous? This sort of thing would reach the height of irony in the retail sector: there we have a business where the difference between red and black depends on the Christmas season...but heaven forbid Wally World should hang a garland.

This comment from you shouts volumes: &quot;And if you want your career to be upwardly mobile, you need to be able to manage diversity.&quot; Two buzz-phrases (&quot;upwardly mobile&quot; and &quot;manage diversity&quot;) and pandering to personal ambition, in less than twenty words. 

Come to think of it, maybe retailers should put the Christmas section in the back, sort of like the adult section in a video store? Isn&#039;t putting all that tinsel and trim out in plain sight damaging to diversity? We wouldn&#039;t want to scar anyone for life, would we?

Heavy sarcasm, I know. However, you should also know that if I was your boss, I would give you EVERY Jewish holiday off,with pay, for two reasons:

1.) Fair is fair. 

2.) It might stop you from whining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On &#034;diversity&#034; &#8211; we are all much more like each other than we are different. Maybe being so hung up on the prepackaged diversity ethic has something to do with your being so embittered/isolated?</p>
<p>And as for office productivity going up when the Christmas decorations go out, isn&#039;t that pandering to the bean counters, i.e., providing a fiscal imperative for chopping out holly and the ivy? Isn&#039;t that sort of shallow and disingenous? This sort of thing would reach the height of irony in the retail sector: there we have a business where the difference between red and black depends on the Christmas season&#8230;but heaven forbid Wally World should hang a garland.</p>
<p>This comment from you shouts volumes: &#034;And if you want your career to be upwardly mobile, you need to be able to manage diversity.&#034; Two buzz-phrases (&#034;upwardly mobile&#034; and &#034;manage diversity&#034;) and pandering to personal ambition, in less than twenty words. </p>
<p>Come to think of it, maybe retailers should put the Christmas section in the back, sort of like the adult section in a video store? Isn&#039;t putting all that tinsel and trim out in plain sight damaging to diversity? We wouldn&#039;t want to scar anyone for life, would we?</p>
<p>Heavy sarcasm, I know. However, you should also know that if I was your boss, I would give you EVERY Jewish holiday off,with pay, for two reasons:</p>
<p>1.) Fair is fair. </p>
<p>2.) It might stop you from whining.</p>
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