Comments on: Harvard Business Review hides behind data about extreme jobs http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:19:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: A Quiet Simple Life » Blog Archive » thinking hard: motherhood, culture, working and children http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-148990 A Quiet Simple Life » Blog Archive » thinking hard: motherhood, culture, working and children Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:37:28 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-148990 [...] Harvard Business Review hides behind data about extreme jobs [...] […] Harvard Business Review hides behind data about extreme jobs […]

]]> By: Kolz Blog » Blog Archive » Coachology: How to wrestle leadership roles from boomers http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-105586 Kolz Blog » Blog Archive » Coachology: How to wrestle leadership roles from boomers Sat, 04 Aug 2007 21:25:36 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-105586 [...] they won’t get out of the way? Act like them. Sure, this means working 60 hour weeks, because that’s what baby boomers do. But it also means exhibiting the leadership qualities that baby boomers look for when they promote [...] […] they won’t get out of the way? Act like them. Sure, this means working 60 hour weeks, because that’s what baby boomers do. But it also means exhibiting the leadership qualities that baby boomers look for when they promote […]

]]> By: Tom http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-93414 Tom Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:31:38 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-93414 Penelope, Great article! I'm 40 and I've been a workaholic. A couple of years ago I got really sick with West Nile Virus. (You can read about my WNV hell on my blog at: http://tblars.blogspot.com/2007/03/west-nile-virus-should-i-be-afraid-or.html ) Anyway, my point is that once I got sick, I realized that I didn't spend enough time with my kids. I still don't spend as much time with my kids as I would like. But I'm not working the long hours that I used to work. My wife and family are more important. I have missed some of my kids' kindergarten graduations. I have a son that just graduated from kindergarten this year. I was there playing the role of the proud Dad. I have worked for companies and bosses that expected work to be the most important thing. And I have worked for other companies and bosses where family is important as well. And I've had a heavy dose of reality check myself. I tend to be a workaholic, but I'm getting better at it. Again, thank you for the article. You do a fine job. Keep up the good work. Tom Penelope,

Great article! I’m 40 and I’ve been a workaholic. A couple of years ago I got really sick with West Nile Virus. (You can read about my WNV hell on my blog at: http://tblars.blogspot.com/2007/03/west-nile-virus-should-i-be-afraid-or.html ) Anyway, my point is that once I got sick, I realized that I didn’t spend enough time with my kids. I still don’t spend as much time with my kids as I would like. But I’m not working the long hours that I used to work. My wife and family are more important. I have missed some of my kids’ kindergarten graduations. I have a son that just graduated from kindergarten this year. I was there playing the role of the proud Dad. I have worked for companies and bosses that expected work to be the most important thing. And I have worked for other companies and bosses where family is important as well. And I’ve had a heavy dose of reality check myself. I tend to be a workaholic, but I’m getting better at it.

Again, thank you for the article. You do a fine job. Keep up the good work.

Tom

]]> By: Audit Trail Blog Archive » Don’t Shoot the Messenger http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-88976 Audit Trail Blog Archive » Don’t Shoot the Messenger Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:04:32 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-88976 [...] Okay, this qualifies as WEIRD. Not to beat our feminist drum over here, but the IL CPA Society did a study that shows that women executives lag in the accounting industry. 50% of the industry = women. 13% of management = women. Hm. Judy Meguire, managing director at Chicago-based RSM McGladrey Inc., said the survey found initiatives such as child-care assistance, women-specific mentoring programs and part-time partner track were not in place at the majority of firms. Seems pretty old school, right? Just a women’s issue? The accounting industry should check out this. And this. And this. Here’s news: child-care assistance, part-time partner tracks, etc. are the future for men. And women. And there is nothing weird about that. From IT Jungle, “The new “Net generation” coming into the work force is more oriented toward non-work factors. This group saw their Boomer parents and relatives face layoffs at the beginning of the decade. More middle-tier positions were outsourced or sent offshore. Employers: Become creative with job flexibility, training, telecommuting, performance measurements, and related retention issues.” [...] […] Okay, this qualifies as WEIRD. Not to beat our feminist drum over here, but the IL CPA Society did a study that shows that women executives lag in the accounting industry. 50% of the industry = women. 13% of management = women. Hm. Judy Meguire, managing director at Chicago-based RSM McGladrey Inc., said the survey found initiatives such as child-care assistance, women-specific mentoring programs and part-time partner track were not in place at the majority of firms. Seems pretty old school, right? Just a women’s issue? The accounting industry should check out this. And this. And this. Here’s news: child-care assistance, part-time partner tracks, etc. are the future for men. And women. And there is nothing weird about that. From IT Jungle, “The new “Net generation” coming into the work force is more oriented toward non-work factors. This group saw their Boomer parents and relatives face layoffs at the beginning of the decade. More middle-tier positions were outsourced or sent offshore. Employers: Become creative with job flexibility, training, telecommuting, performance measurements, and related retention issues.” […]

]]> By: Women Business Blogging http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-77940 Women Business Blogging Mon, 28 May 2007 19:08:29 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-77940 <strong>"I am very in tune with which posts people like and which they don't." Interview with business blogger Penelope Trunk...</strong> Penelope Trunk is a columnist for The Boston Globe and Yahoo! Finance. Her new book Brazen Careerist: The New Rules for Success is just out. She is a relative newcomer to blogging but has quickly come to find it...... “I am very in tune with which posts people like and which they don’t.” Interview with business blogger Penelope Trunk…

Penelope Trunk is a columnist for The Boston Globe and Yahoo! Finance. Her new book Brazen Careerist: The New Rules for Success is just out. She is a relative newcomer to blogging but has quickly come to find it……

]]> By: Review of boomer advice on blending kids and career: Outdated. And Leslie Bennetts is really fat » Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-54168 Review of boomer advice on blending kids and career: Outdated. And Leslie Bennetts is really fat » Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:13:24 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-54168 [...] I try not to write about the absurd onslaught of books written by baby boomers telling Generation X to stop opting out. Here is a short list of the writers who are totally annoying to me that I am trying to ignore: Lisa Belkin, Sylvia Hewlett and now, Leslie Bennetts. [...] […] I try not to write about the absurd onslaught of books written by baby boomers telling Generation X to stop opting out. Here is a short list of the writers who are totally annoying to me that I am trying to ignore: Lisa Belkin, Sylvia Hewlett and now, Leslie Bennetts. […]

]]> By: Nikki http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-49546 Nikki Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:14:37 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-49546 Sally, I understand your perspective. Particularly if that perspective is shaped by the idea that you go to school, get a job, start a family and once that is accomplished stay at job and get steady raises and promotions (possibly job hop once or twice at high level) then retire. In that paradigm, you stay with the job even if the hours go up or whatever demands are made to move ahead. I knew the game changed when upon graduating from college I couldn't get a decent job. I had been taught that you go to college and a degree guaranteed you a job, not so. Along with witnessing general job instability and the callousness of the hiearchy in business, I realized that these paradigms needed to be tossed. Too bad it has taken me 'til my thirties to realize and investigate that there are other options than go to school then work. I regret that I did not save more money in my twenties and establish some job independent income streams. Enough to comfortably cover the basics of living, so that I could take the types of jobs and hours that I want. Or, if I lost a job suddenly, I would have the money to go back to school or whatever. It is considerably more difficult for me to do that now than then, but I have to create my own flexibility that works for me. Sally, I understand your perspective. Particularly if that perspective is shaped by the idea that you go to school, get a job, start a family and once that is accomplished stay at job and get steady raises and promotions (possibly job hop once or twice at high level) then retire. In that paradigm, you stay with the job even if the hours go up or whatever demands are made to move ahead. I knew the game changed when upon graduating from college I couldn’t get a decent job. I had been taught that you go to college and a degree guaranteed you a job, not so. Along with witnessing general job instability and the callousness of the hiearchy in business, I realized that these paradigms needed to be tossed.

Too bad it has taken me ’til my thirties to realize and investigate that there are other options than go to school then work. I regret that I did not save more money in my twenties and establish some job independent income streams. Enough to comfortably cover the basics of living, so that I could take the types of jobs and hours that I want. Or, if I lost a job suddenly, I would have the money to go back to school or whatever. It is considerably more difficult for me to do that now than then, but I have to create my own flexibility that works for me.

]]> By: CEOs can learn from job hoppers about personal responsibility » Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-48527 CEOs can learn from job hoppers about personal responsibility » Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:59:36 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-48527 [...] Additionally, a job hopper can find passion in work more easily, because job hopping keeps ideas fresh and learning curves high. So whereas many ladder climbers work more than sixty hours a week to get that workplace adrenaline rush. Job hoppers can get the rush by starting something new. No need to give up family in order to get a rush from work. [...] […] Additionally, a job hopper can find passion in work more easily, because job hopping keeps ideas fresh and learning curves high. So whereas many ladder climbers work more than sixty hours a week to get that workplace adrenaline rush. Job hoppers can get the rush by starting something new. No need to give up family in order to get a rush from work. […]

]]> By: Friday smorgasbord: Estimate your real age and ability to contribute at work » Brazen Careerist http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-41078 Friday smorgasbord: Estimate your real age and ability to contribute at work » Brazen Careerist Fri, 09 Mar 2007 19:28:05 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-41078 [...] 2. Commitment is personal investment, not time investment Sylvia Hewlett’s broad sweeping study showed that baby boomers are much more willing than younger people to put in excessively long hours at work. However Personnel Development International finds that hours spent working have no direct correlation to commitment to work: Generation X is actually more committed to their work than baby boomers. [...] […] 2. Commitment is personal investment, not time investment Sylvia Hewlett’s broad sweeping study showed that baby boomers are much more willing than younger people to put in excessively long hours at work. However Personnel Development International finds that hours spent working have no direct correlation to commitment to work: Generation X is actually more committed to their work than baby boomers. […]

]]> By: Don’t Tell Me about Admirable Moms » Brazen Careerist http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-37194 Don’t Tell Me about Admirable Moms » Brazen Careerist Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:34:29 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/12/12/harvard-business-review-hides-behind-data-about-extreme-jobs/#comment-37194 [...] And why do we need to admire the moms we write about? Why do the women who are successful in work also have to be successful in the kid department? You know what? Most women who have a full-time job and a partner with a full-time job are having a really hard time holding things together. And the longer the hours, the worse it is.  [...] […] And why do we need to admire the moms we write about? Why do the women who are successful in work also have to be successful in the kid department? You know what? Most women who have a full-time job and a partner with a full-time job are having a really hard time holding things together. And the longer the hours, the worse it is.  […]

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