Comments on: 10 job-hunt tactics you might not know http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:29:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Shin Kadota http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-136845 Shin Kadota Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:02:02 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-136845 I am a senior student at UCLA and have been using LinkedIn to gather relevant information about job-hunting rather than looking for jobs. I feel that seniors who are job hunting should use professional networking sites more often than they use social networking sites because every connection could lead to a potential offer from a company. A tool that I have found very useful during my job hunt is the "Ebook: The New Rules of Recuitment - Making Yourself Stick." (http://thefdworld.com/edge/pub/cat/ebooks) I feel that every student should read this because it will help them prepare for the recruitment process. I am a senior student at UCLA and have been using LinkedIn to gather relevant information about job-hunting rather than looking for jobs. I feel that seniors who are job hunting should use professional networking sites more often than they use social networking sites because every connection could lead to a potential offer from a company.

A tool that I have found very useful during my job hunt is the "Ebook: The New Rules of Recuitment - Making Yourself Stick." (http://thefdworld.com/edge/pub/cat/ebooks) I feel that every student should read this because it will help them prepare for the recruitment process.

]]> By: Daphne Foran http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-89289 Daphne Foran Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:13:30 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-89289 This one makes sence "One's first step in wisdom is to kuesstion everything - and one's last is to come to terms with everything." This one makes sence "One's first step in wisdom is to kuesstion everything - and one's last is to come to terms with everything."

]]> By: Antoine Clarke http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-6926 Antoine Clarke Sun, 17 Dec 2006 20:15:53 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-6926 Penelope, About the last point.I tried the NiceQ test and found it poor. For example, in answer to the question Most people think Nice comes last, I think the answer is true, but that most people are wrong to believe it. The program is unable to make such a distinction so invites a "false" answer. Which is naive not nice. Another statement "Niceness is a state of mind," generates what I think is a silly response, because the unspoken assumption in the author's mind is that "a state of mind" is something set, when I reckon like Rosie in the African Queen "Nature, Mr Allnut, is what God us on this earth to overcome!" So while I completely agree that niceness at work is likely to be effective as well as less stressful than acting tough, I don't think the Power of Nice has got it right. Which is a shame. Penelope,
About the last point.I tried the NiceQ test and found it poor. For example, in answer to the question Most people think Nice comes last, I think the answer is true, but that most people are wrong to believe it. The program is unable to make such a distinction so invites a "false" answer. Which is naive not nice. Another statement "Niceness is a state of mind," generates what I think is a silly response, because the unspoken assumption in the author's mind is that "a state of mind" is something set, when I reckon like Rosie in the African Queen "Nature, Mr Allnut, is what God us on this earth to overcome!"
So while I completely agree that niceness at work is likely to be effective as well as less stressful than acting tough, I don't think the Power of Nice has got it right. Which is a shame.

]]> By: penelope http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1470 penelope Fri, 03 Nov 2006 05:30:25 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1470 Erik, I thought, like you, that hiring someone to cold call was suspect. But I talked to Debra Feldman for a long time about how she operates, and she makes a lot of sense. For example, the high-level people she is dealing with in the cold calls are used to having someone (an assistant or a mutual friend) as a go-between. Debra's rule of thumb is that she only calls people who she can offer value to. So most of her cold calls involve her telling a CEO about how the person she's representing has a lot of contacts or a lot of ideas that the CEO would benefit from. This is why the CEOs generally take the meetings. It's up to the candidate to get the job. Debra gets the meeting. Erik, I thought, like you, that hiring someone to cold call was suspect. But I talked to Debra Feldman for a long time about how she operates, and she makes a lot of sense.

For example, the high-level people she is dealing with in the cold calls are used to having someone (an assistant or a mutual friend) as a go-between.

Debra's rule of thumb is that she only calls people who she can offer value to. So most of her cold calls involve her telling a CEO about how the person she's representing has a lot of contacts or a lot of ideas that the CEO would benefit from. This is why the CEOs generally take the meetings. It's up to the candidate to get the job. Debra gets the meeting.

]]> By: Recruiting Animal http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1305 Recruiting Animal Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:56:50 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1305 Recruiters who blog for their existing and potential client and candidate pool, in one profession or business sector, will turn qualified readers into candidates and clients. In fact, some derive most of their business via their blogs (eg marketingheadhunter.com - he's a great guy). But other recruiters blog primarily for other recruiters and while their blogs might give job-hunters good career and job-hunting ideas, they will not be targetted toward people who will be of great use to them as candidates or clients. I often get resumes from people overseas who work in areas I have no experience in. What can we do for eachother? Nothing much. Recruiters who blog for their existing and potential client and candidate pool, in one profession or business sector, will turn qualified readers into candidates and clients.

In fact, some derive most of their business via their blogs (eg marketingheadhunter.com - he's a great guy).

But other recruiters blog primarily for other recruiters and while their blogs might give job-hunters good career and job-hunting ideas, they will not be targetted toward people who will be of great use to them as candidates or clients.

I often get resumes from people overseas who work in areas I have no experience in. What can we do for eachother? Nothing much.

]]> By: Recruiting Bloggers.com http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1303 Recruiting Bloggers.com Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:46:18 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1303 <strong>The Casting Couch</strong> Is now The Networking Couch. Attention, job-hunters. Brazen Careerist recommends "dating" someone who has a big network. (Or big networks if you're a guy). No kidding. She references a marketing thingee who let her job-hunting boyfriend swallow her ... The Casting Couch

Is now The Networking Couch. Attention, job-hunters. Brazen Careerist recommends "dating" someone who has a big network. (Or big networks if you're a guy). No kidding. She references a marketing thingee who let her job-hunting boyfriend swallow her …

]]> By: Erik http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1296 Erik Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:09:10 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1296 Penny - do you have any experience with how employers react to having someone cold calling on behalf of a potential applicant? My initial thought is that if someone called me on behalf of someone else looking for a job, I would immediately think the applicant is too lazy to do their own leg work. Penny - do you have any experience with how employers react to having someone cold calling on behalf of a potential applicant? My initial thought is that if someone called me on behalf of someone else looking for a job, I would immediately think the applicant is too lazy to do their own leg work.

]]> By: Daily itzBig Links 2006-10-31 - The itzBig Blog - Serving the Unserved – Recruiters, Job Seekers, Quiet Working Professionals http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1293 Daily itzBig Links 2006-10-31 - The itzBig Blog - Serving the Unserved – Recruiters, Job Seekers, Quiet Working Professionals Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:38:09 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1293 [...] Brazen Careerist: 10 Job-hunt tactics you might not know Tip #10 “Be nice. ‘People who are perceived as nice get hired more frequently’, says Robin Koval, co-author of The Power of Nice: How to Conquer the Business World with Kindness. But you probably already think you’re nice. Most people do. If you get jobs easily, then chances are you probably are nice. Or so talented you can get away with being only moderately nice. But if your job hunting is strained, check out this test to see how nice you really are.” [...] [...] Brazen Careerist: 10 Job-hunt tactics you might not know Tip #10 "Be nice. 'People who are perceived as nice get hired more frequently', says Robin Koval, co-author of The Power of Nice: How to Conquer the Business World with Kindness. But you probably already think you’re nice. Most people do. If you get jobs easily, then chances are you probably are nice. Or so talented you can get away with being only moderately nice. But if your job hunting is strained, check out this test to see how nice you really are." [...]

]]> By: penelope http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1261 penelope Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:24:02 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1261 John, You have to be pretty darn good at networking to call someone cold and turn it into a job. Networking is a great talent to have, but a secondary great talent is knowing when you are not great at something and hiring someone who is. John, You have to be pretty darn good at networking to call someone cold and turn it into a job. Networking is a great talent to have, but a secondary great talent is knowing when you are not great at something and hiring someone who is.

]]> By: John Mallon http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1256 John Mallon Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:24:43 +0000 http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/10/29/10-job-hunt-tactics-you-might-not-know/#comment-1256 Some great ideas here, but hiring a cold caller to do your networking for you? I'm sorry, but that whole idea frightens me. Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but I think we should do our own networking, thank you very much. Have a plan, select the companies you want to work with, and make some calls to see who hires the likes of you. Really, is it that hard to do? Some great ideas here, but hiring a cold caller to do your
networking for you? I'm sorry, but that whole idea
frightens me. Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but I think
we should do our own networking, thank you very much.
Have a plan, select the companies you want to work with,
and make some calls to see who hires the likes of you.
Really, is it that hard to do?

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