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		<title>By: Dylan Tweney</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/09/20/ten-questions-with-gloria-steinem/comment-page-1/#comment-1039</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan Tweney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 21:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a mom and having a blog and even writing about pregnancy and motherhood occasionally does not make you a &quot;Mommyblogger.&quot; But if you have a blog and 80% of your posts are about being a mom then, yes, you are a mommyblogger.

I think the differentiation is important because having a blog is about defining yourself publicly. If you post incessantly about motherhood then, yes, people are not going to take you as seriously when you post about career topics. That&#039;s not to say you can&#039;t have 2 blogs -- one about motherhood, one about careers. Or whatever. But I think you&#039;re right, Penelope, to exercise some separation on your blog.

This is obviously a gender issue but it&#039;s important for men too. I&#039;m a father, and a blogger, and I blog about my daughter occasionally, but I don&#039;t do it too much because I don&#039;t want to be pigeonholed as a Daddyblogger. Plus I value my child&#039;s privacy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a mom and having a blog and even writing about pregnancy and motherhood occasionally does not make you a &#034;Mommyblogger.&#034; But if you have a blog and 80% of your posts are about being a mom then, yes, you are a mommyblogger.</p>
<p>I think the differentiation is important because having a blog is about defining yourself publicly. If you post incessantly about motherhood then, yes, people are not going to take you as seriously when you post about career topics. That&#039;s not to say you can&#039;t have 2 blogs &#8212; one about motherhood, one about careers. Or whatever. But I think you&#039;re right, Penelope, to exercise some separation on your blog.</p>
<p>This is obviously a gender issue but it&#039;s important for men too. I&#039;m a father, and a blogger, and I blog about my daughter occasionally, but I don&#039;t do it too much because I don&#039;t want to be pigeonholed as a Daddyblogger. Plus I value my child&#039;s privacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope Trunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope Trunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 04:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenn, posted my comment to you here:
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenn, posted my comment to you here:<br />
<a href="http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/09/why_i_like_seeing_women_at_war.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/09/why_i_like_seeing_women_at_war.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penelope, actually, a lot of what you said made ME think.  I do agree that people are going to use labels.  It is just going to happen.  I don&#039;t care if someone labels me &quot;mommyblogger&quot; or &quot;stay at home mom&quot; or &quot;married&quot; etc. As long as you understand that there are many other lables underneath the one you are choosing. Be willing to look deeper rather than just at the one easy label.  I challenge anyone to find another person--blogger in particular-- that falls under only one label and one label only.

I am just longing for the day that women will support each other regardless of what career path they have chosen/been thrust into/are walking.  The instant we can do that, we become stronger than any one group could ever become!

Love this discussion!  That is what will open doors and open eyes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penelope, actually, a lot of what you said made ME think.  I do agree that people are going to use labels.  It is just going to happen.  I don&#039;t care if someone labels me &#034;mommyblogger&#034; or &#034;stay at home mom&#034; or &#034;married&#034; etc. As long as you understand that there are many other lables underneath the one you are choosing. Be willing to look deeper rather than just at the one easy label.  I challenge anyone to find another person&#8211;blogger in particular&#8211; that falls under only one label and one label only.</p>
<p>I am just longing for the day that women will support each other regardless of what career path they have chosen/been thrust into/are walking.  The instant we can do that, we become stronger than any one group could ever become!</p>
<p>Love this discussion!  That is what will open doors and open eyes!</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope Trunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope Trunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I nuts? I am now going to post a comment to my own comment on my own post. But at least you know that I&#039;m willing to reconsider my positions on anything... Jenn&#039;s comments make me nervous. Like I need to think more. 

I think the goal should be that we do not have labels for parents and careerists. I think the goal is that everyone who wants to be both can be both in a way that fulfills the parents and meets the kids&#039; needs. But we&#039;re not there. REALLY not there. So we have lables while we are getting there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I nuts? I am now going to post a comment to my own comment on my own post. But at least you know that I&#039;m willing to reconsider my positions on anything&#8230; Jenn&#039;s comments make me nervous. Like I need to think more. </p>
<p>I think the goal should be that we do not have labels for parents and careerists. I think the goal is that everyone who wants to be both can be both in a way that fulfills the parents and meets the kids&#039; needs. But we&#039;re not there. REALLY not there. So we have lables while we are getting there.</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope Trunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope Trunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenn, thanks for the comment. I&#039;m honored that you&#039;d take so much time to write about this topic here. 

I am writing a huge comment to say that 1) I like labels and 2) I like the debate. 

I actually find labels really helpful. We have to be able to categorize people to make our world manageable, so we have to be able to label them. (Daniel Gilbert, Harvard psychologists, talks about how this is human nature. I believe that.) 

So the issue is not IF we label people, but HOW we label them. 

You reveal a lot about yourself by how you label the world. 

For example, you could say, of a smart, beautiful, Protestant girl: &quot;That Protestant girl&quot; or &quot;That smart girl.&quot; If you don&#039;t know her name, you have to have some other way to describe her, and that seems fine. 

So I don&#039;t mind being labeled. I also don&#039;t mind playing the label game. We each have different attributes and we can focus on the attribute that helps the most at a given time. 

There is a practical side of labels, too. If you have to support a family, and you have five labels to choose from, why not emphasize the one that brings in the most money? It doesn&#039;t change who you are, it just changes how much money you have in your bank account. 

Finally, for me, there is an important aspect to the career girl vs. stay-at-home mom debate. I think the debate needs to be there, and be there honestly before we can move forward on the work/family issues. 

There is a lot of evidence that says that it is better for the kid if the mom stays at home for the first three years. The evidence is clear that it is the mom and not the dad, and the evdience has been quantified in many different ways. 

I feel like I am in a unique spot in this discussion becuase I work -- primary breadwinner of the family -- and I have young kids at home with my husband, and I&#039;m willing to admit that the science does not support me. 

The labels are useful so we can tell who is talking in the debate. The debate needs to continue so that we, as a capitalist society, can come up with something that works for families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenn, thanks for the comment. I&#039;m honored that you&#039;d take so much time to write about this topic here. </p>
<p>I am writing a huge comment to say that 1) I like labels and 2) I like the debate. </p>
<p>I actually find labels really helpful. We have to be able to categorize people to make our world manageable, so we have to be able to label them. (Daniel Gilbert, Harvard psychologists, talks about how this is human nature. I believe that.) </p>
<p>So the issue is not IF we label people, but HOW we label them. </p>
<p>You reveal a lot about yourself by how you label the world. </p>
<p>For example, you could say, of a smart, beautiful, Protestant girl: &#034;That Protestant girl&#034; or &#034;That smart girl.&#034; If you don&#039;t know her name, you have to have some other way to describe her, and that seems fine. </p>
<p>So I don&#039;t mind being labeled. I also don&#039;t mind playing the label game. We each have different attributes and we can focus on the attribute that helps the most at a given time. </p>
<p>There is a practical side of labels, too. If you have to support a family, and you have five labels to choose from, why not emphasize the one that brings in the most money? It doesn&#039;t change who you are, it just changes how much money you have in your bank account. </p>
<p>Finally, for me, there is an important aspect to the career girl vs. stay-at-home mom debate. I think the debate needs to be there, and be there honestly before we can move forward on the work/family issues. </p>
<p>There is a lot of evidence that says that it is better for the kid if the mom stays at home for the first three years. The evidence is clear that it is the mom and not the dad, and the evdience has been quantified in many different ways. </p>
<p>I feel like I am in a unique spot in this discussion becuase I work &#8212; primary breadwinner of the family &#8212; and I have young kids at home with my husband, and I&#039;m willing to admit that the science does not support me. </p>
<p>The labels are useful so we can tell who is talking in the debate. The debate needs to continue so that we, as a capitalist society, can come up with something that works for families.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, that was one long comment.  Sorry.  Hijacked your blog comments. Bad me!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, that was one long comment.  Sorry.  Hijacked your blog comments. Bad me!  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really have enjoyed this thread, these talks and  the comments that have arisen from it.

One of the things that comes up so often,came up here:

&quot;But, when you get a group of women together, the stay-at-home moms separate from the career moms. So it&#039;s no surprise that the moms divided here, too.&quot;

For 14 years, being a stay at home mom was my career. And, yes, I was one of those moms who when asked what she did would answer with both pride and shame because there is a line drawn between work that earns a paycheck and work that does not.  Now, that career as a stay at home mom has lead directly to a dream career in writing.

I would love to have asked about something pertaining to my previous career or the world I had before motherhood or something so outrageously hip and cutting edge that everyone would have gasped.  But my &quot;previous career&quot; was a college student.  (Unless you want to count when I delivered balloons and popcorn, but I really don&#039;t want to count that.)

So I asked her a question about what I knew, what I lived and what I wanted to her take on.     

What I wish I had asked her now: &quot;How can women finally get passed this utter bullshit of &quot;us vs them&quot;, &quot;working vs non-working&quot;, &quot;moms vs. child free&quot;, &quot;married vs. single&quot;. &quot;straight vs. lesbain&quot; and for the love of all things with 2 X chromosomes, start supporting each other because we can and should?!&quot;

I am so over labels. (Aren&#039;t all of us?)  I am so over &quot;What kind of blogger are you?&quot;  I am so over all of it.  I am a woman.  I am a blogger.  I am a mom.  I guess I am just to the point of: put whatever label you want on me, just read me if you like me, comment if you want to and let&#039;s get this party started.  So to speak.

Please know, this rant is NOT directed at  you in any way, shape or form.  I loved being on the call with you and getting to know these other women better through the call.  I love how each of us brought a different flavor to it.  Great, great way to get people thinking and talking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really have enjoyed this thread, these talks and  the comments that have arisen from it.</p>
<p>One of the things that comes up so often,came up here:</p>
<p>&#034;But, when you get a group of women together, the stay-at-home moms separate from the career moms. So it&#039;s no surprise that the moms divided here, too.&#034;</p>
<p>For 14 years, being a stay at home mom was my career. And, yes, I was one of those moms who when asked what she did would answer with both pride and shame because there is a line drawn between work that earns a paycheck and work that does not.  Now, that career as a stay at home mom has lead directly to a dream career in writing.</p>
<p>I would love to have asked about something pertaining to my previous career or the world I had before motherhood or something so outrageously hip and cutting edge that everyone would have gasped.  But my &#034;previous career&#034; was a college student.  (Unless you want to count when I delivered balloons and popcorn, but I really don&#039;t want to count that.)</p>
<p>So I asked her a question about what I knew, what I lived and what I wanted to her take on.     </p>
<p>What I wish I had asked her now: &#034;How can women finally get passed this utter bullshit of &#034;us vs them&#034;, &#034;working vs non-working&#034;, &#034;moms vs. child free&#034;, &#034;married vs. single&#034;. &#034;straight vs. lesbain&#034; and for the love of all things with 2 X chromosomes, start supporting each other because we can and should?!&#034;</p>
<p>I am so over labels. (Aren&#039;t all of us?)  I am so over &#034;What kind of blogger are you?&#034;  I am so over all of it.  I am a woman.  I am a blogger.  I am a mom.  I guess I am just to the point of: put whatever label you want on me, just read me if you like me, comment if you want to and let&#039;s get this party started.  So to speak.</p>
<p>Please know, this rant is NOT directed at  you in any way, shape or form.  I loved being on the call with you and getting to know these other women better through the call.  I love how each of us brought a different flavor to it.  Great, great way to get people thinking and talking!</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope Trunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope Trunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pamela - I hear you on the gender issue. I think it&#039;ll be great when the mommy bloggers are parent bloggers because so many men are at-home with kids too. I hope I live to see that...

Sarah - Often I interview researchers at Catalyst Organization (women&#039;s think tank) and they always tell me that people who do best with kids/work/decisions are those who confront them early, where you are -- young, single, childless, and (based on my sampling of &lt;a href=&quot;http://queserasera.org/archives/001026.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;your blog&lt;/a&gt;) frenetically trying new things. 

Catherine - I have really enjoyed all the hoop-la surrounding the Gloria call. My favorite quote of the week is from you: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shebytches.com/catherineconnors.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Back the fuck off Gloria.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela &#8211; I hear you on the gender issue. I think it&#039;ll be great when the mommy bloggers are parent bloggers because so many men are at-home with kids too. I hope I live to see that&#8230;</p>
<p>Sarah &#8211; Often I interview researchers at Catalyst Organization (women&#039;s think tank) and they always tell me that people who do best with kids/work/decisions are those who confront them early, where you are &#8212; young, single, childless, and (based on my sampling of <a href="http://queserasera.org/archives/001026.html" rel="nofollow">your blog</a>) frenetically trying new things. </p>
<p>Catherine &#8211; I have really enjoyed all the hoop-la surrounding the Gloria call. My favorite quote of the week is from you: <a href="http://www.shebytches.com/catherineconnors.html" rel="nofollow">Back the fuck off Gloria.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was so great being on the call with you. The questions about motherhood were interesting to me, since I&#039;m single, but definitely want kids someday. Not issues I&#039;m faced with everyday, but definitely food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was so great being on the call with you. The questions about motherhood were interesting to me, since I&#039;m single, but definitely want kids someday. Not issues I&#039;m faced with everyday, but definitely food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Slim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 04:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Penelope:

Thanks for a great recap of an amazing call. It has been fun to read how all of us perceived it and what we took away from spending an hour with a true revolutionary.

You are right that I wanted to clearly state the flavor and intent of my blog, mostly to give context to my question.  I embrace the fact that I am able to work and write from home while my little one either plays around me or hangs out with the babysitter downstairs.  I don&#039;t shy away from talking about being a self-employed parent since that is what many of my readers aim to be.  But I do shy away from calling myself a &quot;woman blogger&quot; or &quot;mommy blogger,&quot; just because I want to be known for the content of my work.  I don&#039;t judge anyone who chooses to identify herself that way - if it feels good, do it!

My sister in law, who holds a post-doctorate from Cal Tech in isotope geochemistry, is a bi-racial female university professor in a very male-dominated field.  She said to me one Christmas &quot;I don&#039;t want to be known as a good woman scientist, or a good half-asian, half latina scientist, I want to be known as a GOOD SCIENTIST.&quot;

I think having a choice of how we define ourselves is one thing that Gloria Steinem has fought for all these years.  Instead of getting perturbed by it, I consider it a blessing to have options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Penelope:</p>
<p>Thanks for a great recap of an amazing call. It has been fun to read how all of us perceived it and what we took away from spending an hour with a true revolutionary.</p>
<p>You are right that I wanted to clearly state the flavor and intent of my blog, mostly to give context to my question.  I embrace the fact that I am able to work and write from home while my little one either plays around me or hangs out with the babysitter downstairs.  I don&#039;t shy away from talking about being a self-employed parent since that is what many of my readers aim to be.  But I do shy away from calling myself a &#034;woman blogger&#034; or &#034;mommy blogger,&#034; just because I want to be known for the content of my work.  I don&#039;t judge anyone who chooses to identify herself that way &#8211; if it feels good, do it!</p>
<p>My sister in law, who holds a post-doctorate from Cal Tech in isotope geochemistry, is a bi-racial female university professor in a very male-dominated field.  She said to me one Christmas &#034;I don&#039;t want to be known as a good woman scientist, or a good half-asian, half latina scientist, I want to be known as a GOOD SCIENTIST.&#034;</p>
<p>I think having a choice of how we define ourselves is one thing that Gloria Steinem has fought for all these years.  Instead of getting perturbed by it, I consider it a blessing to have options.</p>
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