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	<title>Comments on: Race matters too; but saying that is hard</title>
	<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/</link>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-109949</link>
		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-109949</guid>
		<description>In order to advance my career I will be relocating from a city that is 40% black to a town that is 3% black. I am worried about feeling isolated and bored but I will make the effort to join a few activities so that I can get out and meet people with similar interests. I will be working for a university and college towns tend to be more tolerant then other small towns so I am hoping that works in my favor. The cost of living is cheaper and the position will be great for my resume. In a tough job market I willing to do this to get my foot in the door. Maybe I'll love it, if I don't I can move in 2-3 years and qualify for a non entry level position closer to home or to a city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to advance my career I will be relocating from a city that is 40% black to a town that is 3% black. I am worried about feeling isolated and bored but I will make the effort to join a few activities so that I can get out and meet people with similar interests. I will be working for a university and college towns tend to be more tolerant then other small towns so I am hoping that works in my favor. The cost of living is cheaper and the position will be great for my resume. In a tough job market I willing to do this to get my foot in the door. Maybe I&#8217;ll love it, if I don&#8217;t I can move in 2-3 years and qualify for a non entry level position closer to home or to a city.</p>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-105289</link>
		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-105289</guid>
		<description>I belong to several list serves for entry level people in my profession. The overwhelming message is that one must be willing to relocate to get that first professional position after grad school. As a black woman the idea of living in certain states (south) or areas (rural or suburban) scares the crap out of me. Maybe my fears are exaggerated or maybe they are not and I'll have to spend a few years lonely or uncomfortable to get my career started before I can move to a better area. We shall see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I belong to several list serves for entry level people in my profession. The overwhelming message is that one must be willing to relocate to get that first professional position after grad school. As a black woman the idea of living in certain states (south) or areas (rural or suburban) scares the crap out of me. Maybe my fears are exaggerated or maybe they are not and I&#8217;ll have to spend a few years lonely or uncomfortable to get my career started before I can move to a better area. We shall see.</p>
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		<title>By: Darin</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-65869</link>
		<dc:creator>Darin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-65869</guid>
		<description>I'm from Madison, and although I'm white (that's a liability these days ya know), I think Madison is a very progressive community, and most people who were worried about potential race issues will be pleasantly surprised.

Unfortunately, the same can not be said for some of the surrounding communities. I have friends from Milwaukee and Chicago from college who were always reluctant to stay over at my place as they worried that my parents would give them trouble. However there was nothing of the same. Yet when I go to Milwaukee or Chicago with them, I notice the tension just walking around town.

Certainly there are intolerant people in Madison just like anywhere else, but I think all-in-all we have a very open community, and all your concerns will be found wasted.

Actually, this post is from many months ago, and I found your blog because it was mentioned in the local paper. Have your concerns gone out the door yet? If you're interested in the Latino Community, there is &lt;a href="http://www.chdc.us/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Centro Hispano&lt;/a&gt;. I don't know much about them, but a friend is involved and speaks highly of it. There is also a charter school, &lt;a href="http://www.nuestromundoinc.org/nmcsp/fullxml/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Nuestro Mundo&lt;/a&gt; which aims to raise bilingual children; depending on how old your children are, this may be of interest. At the very least, they could make some friends that they may be able to relate to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from Madison, and although I&#8217;m white (that&#8217;s a liability these days ya know), I think Madison is a very progressive community, and most people who were worried about potential race issues will be pleasantly surprised.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the same can not be said for some of the surrounding communities. I have friends from Milwaukee and Chicago from college who were always reluctant to stay over at my place as they worried that my parents would give them trouble. However there was nothing of the same. Yet when I go to Milwaukee or Chicago with them, I notice the tension just walking around town.</p>
<p>Certainly there are intolerant people in Madison just like anywhere else, but I think all-in-all we have a very open community, and all your concerns will be found wasted.</p>
<p>Actually, this post is from many months ago, and I found your blog because it was mentioned in the local paper. Have your concerns gone out the door yet? If you&#8217;re interested in the Latino Community, there is <a href="http://www.chdc.us/" rel="nofollow">Centro Hispano</a>. I don&#8217;t know much about them, but a friend is involved and speaks highly of it. There is also a charter school, <a href="http://www.nuestromundoinc.org/nmcsp/fullxml/" rel="nofollow">Nuestro Mundo</a> which aims to raise bilingual children; depending on how old your children are, this may be of interest. At the very least, they could make some friends that they may be able to relate to.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Tweney</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-928</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan Tweney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-928</guid>
		<description>Penelope, I'm glad you talked about the race issue. Our daughter is Black (and we're white) so we have had to think about this issue a lot. I find the more you talk about race, the easier it gets. You have to be willing to be stupid about it too. As white people, we are so embedded in our racial privilege that we generally have no idea what's really going on. I have gotten very used to saying dumb things.

Anyhow: Factoring race in does make selecting a place to live a challenge. For example, Madison and Portland seem like great cities to me, but they're so white that I'm afraid they wouldn't be good for our kid. Richard Florida's "using gayness as a proxy for diversity" is a cop-out that, I suspect, only a white person would consider legitimate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penelope, I&#8217;m glad you talked about the race issue. Our daughter is Black (and we&#8217;re white) so we have had to think about this issue a lot. I find the more you talk about race, the easier it gets. You have to be willing to be stupid about it too. As white people, we are so embedded in our racial privilege that we generally have no idea what&#8217;s really going on. I have gotten very used to saying dumb things.</p>
<p>Anyhow: Factoring race in does make selecting a place to live a challenge. For example, Madison and Portland seem like great cities to me, but they&#8217;re so white that I&#8217;m afraid they wouldn&#8217;t be good for our kid. Richard Florida&#8217;s &#8220;using gayness as a proxy for diversity&#8221; is a cop-out that, I suspect, only a white person would consider legitimate.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-927</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-927</guid>
		<description>Racism exists, whether we like it or not.  My kids are mixed.  I live in a city so we don't have to spend our time fighting it.  Sometimes I think it would be easier in another neighbourhood.  (Yes, I'm Canadian.)  A neighbourhood where the neighbours looked more like us.  That was one of my main reasons for commenting earlier that your neighbourhood search will need as much research as your city search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racism exists, whether we like it or not.  My kids are mixed.  I live in a city so we don&#8217;t have to spend our time fighting it.  Sometimes I think it would be easier in another neighbourhood.  (Yes, I&#8217;m Canadian.)  A neighbourhood where the neighbours looked more like us.  That was one of my main reasons for commenting earlier that your neighbourhood search will need as much research as your city search.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayann</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-926</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-926</guid>
		<description>Responding to Jeremy's post...Race is a big issue in every aspect of American life today, especially minorities. The USA has a deep history of discrimination starting w/Native American reservations, slavery...and though it's hard for most to talk about, the lingering ramifications, unfortunately, are still quite prevalent today.  And unfortunately, this affects school funding, employment, loans from financial institutions, etc. Bottom line - the whole socio-economic status of many minorites is largely attributed to the aformentioned discimination which plays a big part in where you want to live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to Jeremy&#8217;s post&#8230;Race is a big issue in every aspect of American life today, especially minorities. The USA has a deep history of discrimination starting w/Native American reservations, slavery&#8230;and though it&#8217;s hard for most to talk about, the lingering ramifications, unfortunately, are still quite prevalent today.  And unfortunately, this affects school funding, employment, loans from financial institutions, etc. Bottom line - the whole socio-economic status of many minorites is largely attributed to the aformentioned discimination which plays a big part in where you want to live.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-925</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-925</guid>
		<description>Fascinating...I would never think of race as criteria in that kind of decision, except maybe in weighing general cultural diversity as a drawing card to the bigger cities.

Growing up in Canada, the issues surrounding race seem to be totally different, though -- I'm always surprised by the weight and intensity given to issues of race in the U.S. media. Perhaps it's just naive of me to not think of it as a factor, and having never experienced discrimination myself means I'm somewhat blind to the reality of racism for most people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating&#8230;I would never think of race as criteria in that kind of decision, except maybe in weighing general cultural diversity as a drawing card to the bigger cities.</p>
<p>Growing up in Canada, the issues surrounding race seem to be totally different, though &#8212; I&#8217;m always surprised by the weight and intensity given to issues of race in the U.S. media. Perhaps it&#8217;s just naive of me to not think of it as a factor, and having never experienced discrimination myself means I&#8217;m somewhat blind to the reality of racism for most people.</p>
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		<title>By: KV</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-924</link>
		<dc:creator>KV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/08/18/race-matters-too-but-saying-that-is-hard/#comment-924</guid>
		<description>I agree with your last statement that the way to remove racism is to talk onlyabout it. I think the newer generations are much more open to other cultures and races. Its part of the big world picture we have. 

On a side note, I think the optional questions about race should be removed from surveys, job applications, and the rest. The number you talked about, less than  5% of the population in Madison is Latino, was probably derived from one of the questionnaires filled out by people of Madison. Yes, asking race questions on surveys helps organizations measure their "diversity", BUT, the numbers are also used to figure out the differences between races. You always hear about gaps between races: income, knowledge, political, etc. Recognizing differences is important, but sometimes I wonder if making us believe we're so very different from one another is absolutely necessary. We are only racists if we are biased, and maybe this is how biases are created...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your last statement that the way to remove racism is to talk onlyabout it. I think the newer generations are much more open to other cultures and races. Its part of the big world picture we have. </p>
<p>On a side note, I think the optional questions about race should be removed from surveys, job applications, and the rest. The number you talked about, less than  5% of the population in Madison is Latino, was probably derived from one of the questionnaires filled out by people of Madison. Yes, asking race questions on surveys helps organizations measure their &#8220;diversity&#8221;, BUT, the numbers are also used to figure out the differences between races. You always hear about gaps between races: income, knowledge, political, etc. Recognizing differences is important, but sometimes I wonder if making us believe we&#8217;re so very different from one another is absolutely necessary. We are only racists if we are biased, and maybe this is how biases are created&#8230;</p>
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