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		<title>By: Jose Ayayaya Jr.</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-139330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose Ayayaya Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My feet smell really bad.</description>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-135526</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe yall can help me. I have recently taken the job of activities in a nursing home. And I replaced a girl that wasnt doing her job to benifit the residents. The nurses and the CNAS are hateful to me and actually have belittled me infront of residents. I have tried to make friends with these people. They just are so hateful that I dont understand how they can be around these people and be like that. 
 any suggestions are welcomed. Thanks a milllion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe yall can help me. I have recently taken the job of activities in a nursing home. And I replaced a girl that wasnt doing her job to benifit the residents. The nurses and the CNAS are hateful to me and actually have belittled me infront of residents. I have tried to make friends with these people. They just are so hateful that I dont understand how they can be around these people and be like that.<br />
 any suggestions are welcomed. Thanks a milllion</p>
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		<title>By: klein</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-134246</link>
		<dc:creator>klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-134246</guid>
		<description>I disagree that most of us have to work at being likeable.  Unless we are horrible human beings to begin with, that is.

I find that the majority of people have to stop caring whether people like them.  It is then that they suddenly become the most popular person in the office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that most of us have to work at being likeable.  Unless we are horrible human beings to begin with, that is.</p>
<p>I find that the majority of people have to stop caring whether people like them.  It is then that they suddenly become the most popular person in the office.</p>
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		<title>By: jrandom42</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-133787</link>
		<dc:creator>jrandom42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-133787</guid>
		<description>Personal example from my own career: I've been the quiet type, going about doing my job with little notice and only occasional interaction with other people. I got replaced as a senior network engineer at a major company, by a very likeable, but totally technically incompetent idiot. He had no clue at all what to do when the company lost its data in a fire (caused by his shutting down the air conditioning in the server room), mainly because he never had to deal with anything remotely like it, because everyone else was covering for him. 
By this time, I had another job with a company I really liked, and my former employer called me to oversee their data restoration and bring their business back on line. As tempting as it was to tell them to stuff their problem back into my replacement's in basket, I outlined a plan and set my rates accordingly. I offered them the choice of letting my successor do the job from my broad outline or letting me do it my way at my rates. They chose to pay me to come in as a consultant and do the job, and even paid a 20% bonus when I finished the job 2 weeks early.

I may not have been likeable, but guess who got the house, car and vacation in Hawaii paid for by their former employer? 

Likeability only extends as far as when it comes into conflict of getting things done right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personal example from my own career: I&#8217;ve been the quiet type, going about doing my job with little notice and only occasional interaction with other people. I got replaced as a senior network engineer at a major company, by a very likeable, but totally technically incompetent idiot. He had no clue at all what to do when the company lost its data in a fire (caused by his shutting down the air conditioning in the server room), mainly because he never had to deal with anything remotely like it, because everyone else was covering for him.<br />
By this time, I had another job with a company I really liked, and my former employer called me to oversee their data restoration and bring their business back on line. As tempting as it was to tell them to stuff their problem back into my replacement&#8217;s in basket, I outlined a plan and set my rates accordingly. I offered them the choice of letting my successor do the job from my broad outline or letting me do it my way at my rates. They chose to pay me to come in as a consultant and do the job, and even paid a 20% bonus when I finished the job 2 weeks early.</p>
<p>I may not have been likeable, but guess who got the house, car and vacation in Hawaii paid for by their former employer? </p>
<p>Likeability only extends as far as when it comes into conflict of getting things done right.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-133459</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-133459</guid>
		<description>The assumption that people aren't likeable because they don't really care about other people is inaccurate. I care about people but I'm not likeable. I was a runt of a child and teased mercilessly and beat up by bullies. I learned to be quiet to avoid being noticed. I feared people and on some level still do. I fear not fitting in and I fear making social blunders like forgetting names. I take criticism about my personality very hard. Some people think I'm a snob because I'm quiet, some say I'm too goofy, others think I'm too serious, but they all have an opinion and it's almost never complimentary. My latest criticism is the daily comments by my boss that I don't smile enough or show enthusiasm. The fact is I'm a good person and I care very very much about other people. I'd like to have friends and feel like someone cares about me. But more than that, I'd like people to stop criticizing me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The assumption that people aren&#8217;t likeable because they don&#8217;t really care about other people is inaccurate. I care about people but I&#8217;m not likeable. I was a runt of a child and teased mercilessly and beat up by bullies. I learned to be quiet to avoid being noticed. I feared people and on some level still do. I fear not fitting in and I fear making social blunders like forgetting names. I take criticism about my personality very hard. Some people think I&#8217;m a snob because I&#8217;m quiet, some say I&#8217;m too goofy, others think I&#8217;m too serious, but they all have an opinion and it&#8217;s almost never complimentary. My latest criticism is the daily comments by my boss that I don&#8217;t smile enough or show enthusiasm. The fact is I&#8217;m a good person and I care very very much about other people. I&#8217;d like to have friends and feel like someone cares about me. But more than that, I&#8217;d like people to stop criticizing me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Geiger</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-112829</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Geiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-112829</guid>
		<description>Penelope,
I like this article very much.  I work in Silicon Valley and I continue to marvel at the observation that the people who are creating new technological paradigms for communication are actually the least able to communicate in person-to-person interactions!

BTW, I read your articles with great interest even though I have been in job market for 25 years.  Many of your articles have an X or a Y bent (Gen X, Gen Y that is), but they still are quite relevant to me because your topics focus more on skills for a new workplace than on skills for a particular type of person in that workplace.  Thanks, Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penelope,<br />
I like this article very much.  I work in Silicon Valley and I continue to marvel at the observation that the people who are creating new technological paradigms for communication are actually the least able to communicate in person-to-person interactions!</p>
<p>BTW, I read your articles with great interest even though I have been in job market for 25 years.  Many of your articles have an X or a Y bent (Gen X, Gen Y that is), but they still are quite relevant to me because your topics focus more on skills for a new workplace than on skills for a particular type of person in that workplace.  Thanks, Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Platon</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-112518</link>
		<dc:creator>Platon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-112518</guid>
		<description>Nice</description>
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		<title>By: Sifi M</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-106914</link>
		<dc:creator>Sifi M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy your blog very much. I am a manager in a state organization. As far as social skills go, I am pretty high on the scale, as far as I can tell from feedback. But the jist of it truly is caring. If you care about others you will usually care about how well you are performing in your own job as well. There are people here who appear to have good social skills but aren't good on follow-through. I privately (at home!)refer to them as mere schmoozers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy your blog very much. I am a manager in a state organization. As far as social skills go, I am pretty high on the scale, as far as I can tell from feedback. But the jist of it truly is caring. If you care about others you will usually care about how well you are performing in your own job as well. There are people here who appear to have good social skills but aren&#8217;t good on follow-through. I privately (at home!)refer to them as mere schmoozers.</p>
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		<title>By: jess</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-89133</link>
		<dc:creator>jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-89133</guid>
		<description>Hi Penelope, I've just started a new job and I have to say within a week I've become your biggest fan! Thank you so much for providing real wisdom and clarity to the 21st century workplace. With your advice I've smoothly transitioned into my job. I know you must have a busy schedule, but would you ever be able to answer/give advice over email? If so, I'd love to be able to chat w/ you and get advice! I think everyone who reads your blog will have much more success in their jobs/careers! Thanks:)

* * * * *

&lt;em&gt;Hi, Jess. I can answer quick, specific questions via email. I also do coaching on the phone based on an hourly fee.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Penelope
&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Penelope, I&#8217;ve just started a new job and I have to say within a week I&#8217;ve become your biggest fan! Thank you so much for providing real wisdom and clarity to the 21st century workplace. With your advice I&#8217;ve smoothly transitioned into my job. I know you must have a busy schedule, but would you ever be able to answer/give advice over email? If so, I&#8217;d love to be able to chat w/ you and get advice! I think everyone who reads your blog will have much more success in their jobs/careers! Thanks:)</p>
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<p><em>Hi, Jess. I can answer quick, specific questions via email. I also do coaching on the phone based on an hourly fee.</em></p>
<p><em>Penelope<br />
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		<title>By: working nerd</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2006/07/18/social-skills-matter-more-than-ever-so-heres-how-to-get-them/#comment-80652</link>
		<dc:creator>working nerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CT's comments are spot the mark, IF we want to have a better std of living in the future.

Unfortunately, PT's response is also on the mark.  ("... in our reality social skills are highly valued. So if you want to succeed today, you need social skills.")  As testimony I know I have been let go because I was not social enough, (ie, socializing in the ofc, and/or drinking or partying after work), prefering to get things done and having accomplished more than those that remained.

I find incompetence in the workplace repulsive, regardless if the colleague is warm, friendly and empathetic.  Apparently I wrongly assumed that we are paid to get a job done.  This is no longer the case.  Social ties are the "ties that bind".  

So how does CT's comments fit in?  Re-read the conditional clause.  Our society no longer feels it is important to achieve higher stds of living.  We have achieved Nirvana; unfortunately, we have been there and are now headed backwards.  Today's thirty-somethings have a lower std of living than their fathers.  (See recent WSJ article).  And this trend will continue until society changes its values.

It is very sad commentary that as a society we find it more important to have good social skills, than to be competent.  This will only continue to diminish our std of living.  We will complain about our failed policies, about the high cost of healthcare, gasoline, ... and fail to see that it is of our own (un)doing.  But we will enjoy it, because we are likable.

As I look back, it now makes sense.  Our educational stds have plummented.  HS is no longer a place for education, but rather for socialization (ie. learning how to socialize).  Witness how poorly our HS students do in international comparisons.  We require 12, and soon 14 yrs of education once pre-K is mandatory, to be at the bottom of the top 30 industialized countries; and they achieve this in 10 yrs.  A few yrs back I saw a HS principal on a "news show" brag that imparting knowledge in the classroom was no longer important.  He was proud however of the social skills that his students have learned in the student commons.  If that's all these students know (social skills), is it a surprise that this is what they value?  People like people who think like themselves (see referenced HBR article).

My objective in life is to maximize the talents/abilities that have been bestowed upon me in order to make a better place for my kids and grandkids.  (That must sound really trite to those 30-somethings.)  And that takes effort, which is seen as unsocial.  However this drive to achieve, learned in school, is what yields accomplishments, increased productivity and in turn a higher std of living. (ECON 101 ... Oops I forgot. Nobody studies this anymore; it's too difficult and offers no redeeming social skills.)

We will continue to see our std of living erode, and more quickly as the dollar continues its slide, until society changes its values.  At least we can take comfort in the fact that we will be likable, as we huddle in the dark under the no longer used freeway overpass. (Guilty as charged of sarcasm.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CT&#8217;s comments are spot the mark, IF we want to have a better std of living in the future.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, PT&#8217;s response is also on the mark.  (&#8221;&#8230; in our reality social skills are highly valued. So if you want to succeed today, you need social skills.&#8221;)  As testimony I know I have been let go because I was not social enough, (ie, socializing in the ofc, and/or drinking or partying after work), prefering to get things done and having accomplished more than those that remained.</p>
<p>I find incompetence in the workplace repulsive, regardless if the colleague is warm, friendly and empathetic.  Apparently I wrongly assumed that we are paid to get a job done.  This is no longer the case.  Social ties are the &#8220;ties that bind&#8221;.  </p>
<p>So how does CT&#8217;s comments fit in?  Re-read the conditional clause.  Our society no longer feels it is important to achieve higher stds of living.  We have achieved Nirvana; unfortunately, we have been there and are now headed backwards.  Today&#8217;s thirty-somethings have a lower std of living than their fathers.  (See recent WSJ article).  And this trend will continue until society changes its values.</p>
<p>It is very sad commentary that as a society we find it more important to have good social skills, than to be competent.  This will only continue to diminish our std of living.  We will complain about our failed policies, about the high cost of healthcare, gasoline, &#8230; and fail to see that it is of our own (un)doing.  But we will enjoy it, because we are likable.</p>
<p>As I look back, it now makes sense.  Our educational stds have plummented.  HS is no longer a place for education, but rather for socialization (ie. learning how to socialize).  Witness how poorly our HS students do in international comparisons.  We require 12, and soon 14 yrs of education once pre-K is mandatory, to be at the bottom of the top 30 industialized countries; and they achieve this in 10 yrs.  A few yrs back I saw a HS principal on a &#8220;news show&#8221; brag that imparting knowledge in the classroom was no longer important.  He was proud however of the social skills that his students have learned in the student commons.  If that&#8217;s all these students know (social skills), is it a surprise that this is what they value?  People like people who think like themselves (see referenced HBR article).</p>
<p>My objective in life is to maximize the talents/abilities that have been bestowed upon me in order to make a better place for my kids and grandkids.  (That must sound really trite to those 30-somethings.)  And that takes effort, which is seen as unsocial.  However this drive to achieve, learned in school, is what yields accomplishments, increased productivity and in turn a higher std of living. (ECON 101 &#8230; Oops I forgot. Nobody studies this anymore; it&#8217;s too difficult and offers no redeeming social skills.)</p>
<p>We will continue to see our std of living erode, and more quickly as the dollar continues its slide, until society changes its values.  At least we can take comfort in the fact that we will be likable, as we huddle in the dark under the no longer used freeway overpass. (Guilty as charged of sarcasm.)</p>
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