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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the column, I really enjoyed it.  I am going to recommend a website, it's: http://www.sports.evumeet.com 
The website helps people find: Local sports, Players who want to play the same game and it helps to organize group games with an on-line event planning tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the column, I really enjoyed it.  I am going to recommend a website, it&#039;s: <a href="http://www.sports.evumeet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sports.evumeet.com</a><br />
The website helps people find: Local sports, Players who want to play the same game and it helps to organize group games with an on-line event planning tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough, I wasn't terribly offended by this post. I have never been pre-disposed to being a tiny woman, and I probably never will be. Luckily for me I have landed a great job, and have a personality and disarming nature that has made my less-than-culturally-acceptable physique more of a non-issue. The truth is, the author is simply trying to give us all a leg-up in the corporate world. She isn't giving a personal evaluation of overweight or non-athletic types, but is simply pointing out the benefits of keeping in shape in regards to your career search. 

In short, I don't think Penelope is responsible for the situation, but that she is trying to shed light on it and promote awareness. I think it's sad that "more attractive" people get hired more often. Sad or not, it's still a reality we all have to face.

Good luck to everyone still looking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, I wasn&#039;t terribly offended by this post. I have never been pre-disposed to being a tiny woman, and I probably never will be. Luckily for me I have landed a great job, and have a personality and disarming nature that has made my less-than-culturally-acceptable physique more of a non-issue. The truth is, the author is simply trying to give us all a leg-up in the corporate world. She isn&#039;t giving a personal evaluation of overweight or non-athletic types, but is simply pointing out the benefits of keeping in shape in regards to your career search. </p>
<p>In short, I don&#039;t think Penelope is responsible for the situation, but that she is trying to shed light on it and promote awareness. I think it&#039;s sad that &#034;more attractive&#034; people get hired more often. Sad or not, it&#039;s still a reality we all have to face.</p>
<p>Good luck to everyone still looking!</p>
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		<title>By: Reginleif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reginleif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for confirming my suspicions that I need to get out of the corporate world, where intelligence and hard work are far less valued than the "right" looks, the "right" clothes, the "right" vehicle, and the ability to schmooze people. No wonder so many companies go into the toilet.

"You know good-looking when you see it, and you know ugly when you see it, and a body that's been exposed to regular exercise at the gym is probably not ugly."

Uh-huh. And those of us who have unfashionably flabby bodies must, perforce, be "ugly," regardless of what our significant others say.

Thanks, honey. Let me guess, you're yet another phony-baloney suit, or maybe an HR bimbo, who looks down on anyone who isn't toned, tan, extraverted, and nattily tailored.

Yours is one blog I won't be reading for career advice. I'd like to get as far  away from people of your mindset as possible.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for confirming my suspicions that I need to get out of the corporate world, where intelligence and hard work are far less valued than the &#034;right&#034; looks, the &#034;right&#034; clothes, the &#034;right&#034; vehicle, and the ability to schmooze people. No wonder so many companies go into the toilet.</p>
<p>&#034;You know good-looking when you see it, and you know ugly when you see it, and a body that&#039;s been exposed to regular exercise at the gym is probably not ugly.&#034;</p>
<p>Uh-huh. And those of us who have unfashionably flabby bodies must, perforce, be &#034;ugly,&#034; regardless of what our significant others say.</p>
<p>Thanks, honey. Let me guess, you&#039;re yet another phony-baloney suit, or maybe an HR bimbo, who looks down on anyone who isn&#039;t toned, tan, extraverted, and nattily tailored.</p>
<p>Yours is one blog I won&#039;t be reading for career advice. I&#039;d like to get as far  away from people of your mindset as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie, I must agree with Wendy and Penelope on this. The point of the article was to point out trends and statistics, not to condemn you to a failed career. But the bottom line is that *anyone* who is confident, comfortable in groups, and self-disciplined will do well in their careers. It just so happens that most people achieve these things through exercise and especially through team sports.

I, too, was at the top of my class in HS. I found Penelope's 3rd paragraph very compelling. They don't teach you those things in AP Calculus! When I was talking to my friend about this concept, he nodded and said that it is easier for athletes to get into Ivy League schools than non-athletes. I'm not sure if this is accurate, but it makes a measure of sense. 

I was not a super-popular athlete in gradeschool. I was average. I didn't play any sports for my school. When I was young, I played soccer just for fun. I wasn't very good, but it didn't matter. I was playing a game with my friends, and that's all that mattered. 

After that, I took to solitary early-morning jogs around a public golf course near my house. The best thing about early-morning runs is that no one's watching! You can be awkward and out of breath, but no one's there staring at you on a treadmill. 

Now that I'm almost to the point of obesity, I'm even less likely to exercise in public! There is a small gym at my apt complex that I go use the elliptical trainer at early in the morning when no one else is there. I do yoga and pilates in my living room. No judging eyes there, except my cat who looks at me a little funny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie, I must agree with Wendy and Penelope on this. The point of the article was to point out trends and statistics, not to condemn you to a failed career. But the bottom line is that *anyone* who is confident, comfortable in groups, and self-disciplined will do well in their careers. It just so happens that most people achieve these things through exercise and especially through team sports.</p>
<p>I, too, was at the top of my class in HS. I found Penelope&#039;s 3rd paragraph very compelling. They don&#039;t teach you those things in AP Calculus! When I was talking to my friend about this concept, he nodded and said that it is easier for athletes to get into Ivy League schools than non-athletes. I&#039;m not sure if this is accurate, but it makes a measure of sense. </p>
<p>I was not a super-popular athlete in gradeschool. I was average. I didn&#039;t play any sports for my school. When I was young, I played soccer just for fun. I wasn&#039;t very good, but it didn&#039;t matter. I was playing a game with my friends, and that&#039;s all that mattered. </p>
<p>After that, I took to solitary early-morning jogs around a public golf course near my house. The best thing about early-morning runs is that no one&#039;s watching! You can be awkward and out of breath, but no one&#039;s there staring at you on a treadmill. </p>
<p>Now that I&#039;m almost to the point of obesity, I&#039;m even less likely to exercise in public! There is a small gym at my apt complex that I go use the elliptical trainer at early in the morning when no one else is there. I do yoga and pilates in my living room. No judging eyes there, except my cat who looks at me a little funny!</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope Trunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope Trunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Marie. 
First of all, let me be clear that unless you are in amazing shape, don't work out at an office gym. If you are trying to manage your image at work at all, being out of shape at the gym will not help.

But being out of shape at the gym outside of work is fine. I recommend Curves for you. It's a national chain of gyms that caters to women who are not comfortable going to a gym. 

But look, don't hide behind a lack of coordination. The benefits of getting exercise are independent of talent. 

You are perfectly capable of going to the gym and walking on a treadmill and learning to lift weights. Go do that now, really. 

I am so happy to be able to use the example of my friend, who is wheel-chair bound. He just competed in a national horseback riding competition for athletes with disabilities. He writes emails about the excitement of athletic competition with the same excitement, the same adjectives, that an Olympic athlete would. 

The thrill of using your body to the best of your abilities is open to every single person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Marie.<br />
First of all, let me be clear that unless you are in amazing shape, don&#039;t work out at an office gym. If you are trying to manage your image at work at all, being out of shape at the gym will not help.</p>
<p>But being out of shape at the gym outside of work is fine. I recommend Curves for you. It&#039;s a national chain of gyms that caters to women who are not comfortable going to a gym. </p>
<p>But look, don&#039;t hide behind a lack of coordination. The benefits of getting exercise are independent of talent. </p>
<p>You are perfectly capable of going to the gym and walking on a treadmill and learning to lift weights. Go do that now, really. </p>
<p>I am so happy to be able to use the example of my friend, who is wheel-chair bound. He just competed in a national horseback riding competition for athletes with disabilities. He writes emails about the excitement of athletic competition with the same excitement, the same adjectives, that an Olympic athlete would. </p>
<p>The thrill of using your body to the best of your abilities is open to every single person.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 03:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Marie ... the article does not say that no exceptions exist, just that in general people who look after their physical well being tend to do better in their careers. 

And the article doesn't say that you need to exercise in a public, group situation to obtain the benefits.  While team sports have benefits, the article points out that so does just staying in shape.  One can do this by walking regularly, using exercise videos, employing exercise equipment at home, etc.
Take care...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Marie &#8230; the article does not say that no exceptions exist, just that in general people who look after their physical well being tend to do better in their careers. </p>
<p>And the article doesn&#039;t say that you need to exercise in a public, group situation to obtain the benefits.  While team sports have benefits, the article points out that so does just staying in shape.  One can do this by walking regularly, using exercise videos, employing exercise equipment at home, etc.<br />
Take care&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say I was disappointed with the article.  Perhaps you and Diana were lucky enough to have a modicum of physical coordination and ability, and you should be grateful for that.  But to assume that everyone has that kind of God-given gift is unkind to those of us who were in childhood, and will always be, the type that was last-picked for (fill-in-the-blank)ball, the one who couldn't run fast, or throw accurately, or make contact between long implement and ball, or figure out the breathing patterns to swim smoothly, no matter how many hours he/she practiced and tried.  

Some of us JUST don't have it, which makes those "just do it" ads that much more painful to watch.  And now you're saying I have to be an athlete to maximize my chances of career success?  Despite my lack of athletic ability, I still managed to graduate 2nd in my class and was elected VP of student government and even made second place in the Homecoming Queen contest ("lady-in-waiting" - yes, it's a goofy title, but it represented the affection and respect of my classmates).  So I didn't have to be an athlete to be considered a leader in my class.  I just had to be a leader.  But I'm self-conscious about my physical abilities to the point where I refuse to work out at the gym in my office, because I'm embarrassed to do so in front of my colleagues.  Does that make me less worthy of the management position I hold?  

Consider yourself LUCKY you can run and jump and throw.  But don't push us non-athletes against the wall for the sake of a column.   That would make you no better than the bullies in middle school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say I was disappointed with the article.  Perhaps you and Diana were lucky enough to have a modicum of physical coordination and ability, and you should be grateful for that.  But to assume that everyone has that kind of God-given gift is unkind to those of us who were in childhood, and will always be, the type that was last-picked for (fill-in-the-blank)ball, the one who couldn&#039;t run fast, or throw accurately, or make contact between long implement and ball, or figure out the breathing patterns to swim smoothly, no matter how many hours he/she practiced and tried.  </p>
<p>Some of us JUST don&#039;t have it, which makes those &#034;just do it&#034; ads that much more painful to watch.  And now you&#039;re saying I have to be an athlete to maximize my chances of career success?  Despite my lack of athletic ability, I still managed to graduate 2nd in my class and was elected VP of student government and even made second place in the Homecoming Queen contest (&#034;lady-in-waiting&#034; - yes, it&#039;s a goofy title, but it represented the affection and respect of my classmates).  So I didn&#039;t have to be an athlete to be considered a leader in my class.  I just had to be a leader.  But I&#039;m self-conscious about my physical abilities to the point where I refuse to work out at the gym in my office, because I&#039;m embarrassed to do so in front of my colleagues.  Does that make me less worthy of the management position I hold?  </p>
<p>Consider yourself LUCKY you can run and jump and throw.  But don&#039;t push us non-athletes against the wall for the sake of a column.   That would make you no better than the bullies in middle school.</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope Trunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penelope Trunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diana, great comment! I want everyone to know that all Diana's points are supported by research. Really, it's all true. 

Most people know this intuitively, I think. But few are ready to put it into words in such a cut-and-dried way as Diana. 

-Penelope</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diana, great comment! I want everyone to know that all Diana&#039;s points are supported by research. Really, it&#039;s all true. </p>
<p>Most people know this intuitively, I think. But few are ready to put it into words in such a cut-and-dried way as Diana. </p>
<p>-Penelope</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed this column! I played team sports in my pre-teens, but stopped exercising altogether in high school and college. I have recently started an exercise program not to fit into "skinny jeans" but to build my self-confidence, energy, and self-image... all traits that would benefit me in my current job search! 

While I don't think (most!) employers are necessarily "prejudiced" against overweight candidates (we're not a legally protected class, are we?), I do believe that employers favor fit candidates. 

It makes so much sense... When you see a fit person, you assume that in order to achieve and maintain themselves, they must be self-motivating, confident people who can achieve goals, etc., etc. On the other hand, when you see a person who has "let themselves go", you might assume that they are lazy, and the lack drive and self-discipline to achieve goals.

Of course, I'm not saying that these prejudices are correct at all. I know some very confident overweight people and some fit people with horrible self-esteem. I will say, though, that people who exercise regularly (I've started noticing this in myself) tend to carry themselves in a different way that couch-potatos. They interact with people better and are more likely to positively contribute to a group situation. In my experience, and in observation of others, people who start exercising again tend to be happier, more optimistic, and less prone to depression and negativity.

Keep up the good work; I always enjoy reading what you have to say! 

Now... where are my running shoes?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this column! I played team sports in my pre-teens, but stopped exercising altogether in high school and college. I have recently started an exercise program not to fit into &#034;skinny jeans&#034; but to build my self-confidence, energy, and self-image&#8230; all traits that would benefit me in my current job search! </p>
<p>While I don&#039;t think (most!) employers are necessarily &#034;prejudiced&#034; against overweight candidates (we&#039;re not a legally protected class, are we?), I do believe that employers favor fit candidates. </p>
<p>It makes so much sense&#8230; When you see a fit person, you assume that in order to achieve and maintain themselves, they must be self-motivating, confident people who can achieve goals, etc., etc. On the other hand, when you see a person who has &#034;let themselves go&#034;, you might assume that they are lazy, and the lack drive and self-discipline to achieve goals.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#039;m not saying that these prejudices are correct at all. I know some very confident overweight people and some fit people with horrible self-esteem. I will say, though, that people who exercise regularly (I&#039;ve started noticing this in myself) tend to carry themselves in a different way that couch-potatos. They interact with people better and are more likely to positively contribute to a group situation. In my experience, and in observation of others, people who start exercising again tend to be happier, more optimistic, and less prone to depression and negativity.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work; I always enjoy reading what you have to say! </p>
<p>Now&#8230; where are my running shoes?!</p>
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