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		<title>By: Holly</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2005/03/21/list-of-things-i-hate-2/comment-page-1/#comment-222909</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mike:
Read your comments (above)...

Just want to let you know that I care about how you are feeling...and many more people out there care as well. Even though I do not know you personally, I am hoping that you realize that you don&#039;t need to be perfect -- that&#039;s impossible. And you are right, we need a better, more responsive community...better able to evaluate and treat depression. We, as a society, need to be able to express our troubles and get the proper help.

Take some time to accept a helping hand...reach out and find someone who will listen--please!!!! Thanks for reaching out to us. There truly are people who want to listen and offer help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mike:<br />
Read your comments (above)&#8230;</p>
<p>Just want to let you know that I care about how you are feeling&#8230;and many more people out there care as well. Even though I do not know you personally, I am hoping that you realize that you don&#039;t need to be perfect &#8212; that&#039;s impossible. And you are right, we need a better, more responsive community&#8230;better able to evaluate and treat depression. We, as a society, need to be able to express our troubles and get the proper help.</p>
<p>Take some time to accept a helping hand&#8230;reach out and find someone who will listen&#8211;please!!!! Thanks for reaching out to us. There truly are people who want to listen and offer help.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i believe that the idea of people being defined by their career might be in fact part of the cause of my depression. since i am on disability and not working right now, i would then be considered nothing. 

to be honest, i have never been anything. i have had hundreds (maybe thousands) of jobs and not one was satisfying. if you have assumed that i have a problem holding jobs, that would be correct. i am a human resources worst nightmare times 100. 

perhaps i don&#039;t even want to work, ever, again. right now it is just easier for me to stay on disability which is for my deep depression (i say DEEP depression  because of the fact that i do contemplate suicide AND if given the opportunity i would blow my brains out).

i would say that messiness is probably the least of my problems, yet disorganization does interfere in my life.  i wouldn&#039;t say that my position in life was a result of choices i made, simply because, i didn&#039;t choose depression. who in their right mind would ever do such a thing? that is of course if it was even possible to choose to have depression.  any choices i made as a result of distorted thinking due to my depression, simply would not count since these actions were as a result of depression.

i wish that the US government would offer more support such as having all working folk contribute more money from their pay checks to help those who are unable to work. I say that the more fortunate need to give more money to help others simply because if they have been blessed with good fortune, it is best to spread this good fortune and wealth to others as well. it is good karma, as they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe that the idea of people being defined by their career might be in fact part of the cause of my depression. since i am on disability and not working right now, i would then be considered nothing. </p>
<p>to be honest, i have never been anything. i have had hundreds (maybe thousands) of jobs and not one was satisfying. if you have assumed that i have a problem holding jobs, that would be correct. i am a human resources worst nightmare times 100. </p>
<p>perhaps i don&#039;t even want to work, ever, again. right now it is just easier for me to stay on disability which is for my deep depression (i say DEEP depression  because of the fact that i do contemplate suicide AND if given the opportunity i would blow my brains out).</p>
<p>i would say that messiness is probably the least of my problems, yet disorganization does interfere in my life.  i wouldn&#039;t say that my position in life was a result of choices i made, simply because, i didn&#039;t choose depression. who in their right mind would ever do such a thing? that is of course if it was even possible to choose to have depression.  any choices i made as a result of distorted thinking due to my depression, simply would not count since these actions were as a result of depression.</p>
<p>i wish that the US government would offer more support such as having all working folk contribute more money from their pay checks to help those who are unable to work. I say that the more fortunate need to give more money to help others simply because if they have been blessed with good fortune, it is best to spread this good fortune and wealth to others as well. it is good karma, as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I.  Love.  This.  Post.  

The common denominator between each archetype that you listed seems to be an excess of self-involvement, and consequently, loss of big-picture perspective.  Of course, the world needs both macro- and microcosmic thinking, but it&#039;s good to at least figure out in which camp you tend to stake your tent.  

To the cranky people who got defensive: bear in mind that defensiveness is the first affirmation of addiction.  

I will admit to enjoying proper grammar.  It makes me feel like there might be order in the universe somewhere.  

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I.  Love.  This.  Post.  </p>
<p>The common denominator between each archetype that you listed seems to be an excess of self-involvement, and consequently, loss of big-picture perspective.  Of course, the world needs both macro- and microcosmic thinking, but it&#039;s good to at least figure out in which camp you tend to stake your tent.  </p>
<p>To the cranky people who got defensive: bear in mind that defensiveness is the first affirmation of addiction.  </p>
<p>I will admit to enjoying proper grammar.  It makes me feel like there might be order in the universe somewhere.  </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Penelope, I found your blog quite interesting. I also realized that I am guilty of each trait you listed.  What you stated about perfectionists describes me so well. I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself (I hope I used the word &quot;myself&quot; correctly, heehee).  I also remember while working at the corporate offices of ExxonMobil in Houston, Texas my office was so messy that my supervisor even spoke to me about it. The thing is, I have always had a serious problem with disorganization. I also suffer from severe depression and emotional problems.  I wanted to ask you if you think that the traits you listed are connected somehow with depression and any mental disorders. I also am quite easily distracted from whatever I may be doing or trying to do.  To put it simply, life has been difficult for me. I never did finish college and have difficulty finishing anything for that matter. I have never had a career and now I am very close to being 40.  I was eventually laid off from ExxonMobil, but not due to sloppiness. I am on disability now for depression and I think about ending my life since it is so difficult and painful to live like this. I am a failure, plain and simple.  I hate my life and I don&#039;t think there is any way to &quot;fix&quot; it except bring it to an end.  I don&#039;t even know what to do with my life anyway so I just exist for the sake of existing. I should be a millionaire but I am not. I am nothing and just want it to end. Thanks for your insight. I always felt my perfectionism was getting in my way of getting anything done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Penelope, I found your blog quite interesting. I also realized that I am guilty of each trait you listed.  What you stated about perfectionists describes me so well. I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself (I hope I used the word &#034;myself&#034; correctly, heehee).  I also remember while working at the corporate offices of ExxonMobil in Houston, Texas my office was so messy that my supervisor even spoke to me about it. The thing is, I have always had a serious problem with disorganization. I also suffer from severe depression and emotional problems.  I wanted to ask you if you think that the traits you listed are connected somehow with depression and any mental disorders. I also am quite easily distracted from whatever I may be doing or trying to do.  To put it simply, life has been difficult for me. I never did finish college and have difficulty finishing anything for that matter. I have never had a career and now I am very close to being 40.  I was eventually laid off from ExxonMobil, but not due to sloppiness. I am on disability now for depression and I think about ending my life since it is so difficult and painful to live like this. I am a failure, plain and simple.  I hate my life and I don&#039;t think there is any way to &#034;fix&#034; it except bring it to an end.  I don&#039;t even know what to do with my life anyway so I just exist for the sake of existing. I should be a millionaire but I am not. I am nothing and just want it to end. Thanks for your insight. I always felt my perfectionism was getting in my way of getting anything done.</p>
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		<title>By: dblanchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>dblanchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect you&#039;ll hate this, but I&#039;m surprised that in three years no one has commented on not using &quot;and myself.&quot; 

I spilled water on him and myself.
I find too many differences of opinion between him and myself.
I&#039;ll get bagels for you and myself.

I do agree though, that misuse is very annoying.

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect you&#039;ll hate this, but I&#039;m surprised that in three years no one has commented on not using &#034;and myself.&#034; </p>
<p>I spilled water on him and myself.<br />
I find too many differences of opinion between him and myself.<br />
I&#039;ll get bagels for you and myself.</p>
<p>I do agree though, that misuse is very annoying.</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: AB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People with messy desks aren&#039;t creative? Sounds counterintuitive. But you cited a study, so I checked it out. Funnily enough, the words &quot;creative&quot; or &quot;creativity&quot; were nowhere to be found in the study - instead it discussed &quot;conscientiousness&quot; and &quot;organization&quot;. That&#039;s not exactly the same thing, Penelope...

In fact, the study didn&#039;t even go so far as to say that a messy workspace definitely means the worker isn&#039;t conscientious or organized - it is far more focused on PERCEPTIONS of that worker by others in the work place. (It did assert that such perceptions have &quot;some&quot; validity.) Your original post acknowledged this subtlety, even as it jammed creativity into the mix, but the reference to the study in this posting does no such thing. I believe you overstated the claims made by this study in your original post, and obscured them altogether in this post. Sloppy.

By the way, I keep my desk clean at work for exactly the reason the study suggests you should - to project an image of conscientiousness and organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People with messy desks aren&#039;t creative? Sounds counterintuitive. But you cited a study, so I checked it out. Funnily enough, the words &#034;creative&#034; or &#034;creativity&#034; were nowhere to be found in the study &#8211; instead it discussed &#034;conscientiousness&#034; and &#034;organization&#034;. That&#039;s not exactly the same thing, Penelope&#8230;</p>
<p>In fact, the study didn&#039;t even go so far as to say that a messy workspace definitely means the worker isn&#039;t conscientious or organized &#8211; it is far more focused on PERCEPTIONS of that worker by others in the work place. (It did assert that such perceptions have &#034;some&#034; validity.) Your original post acknowledged this subtlety, even as it jammed creativity into the mix, but the reference to the study in this posting does no such thing. I believe you overstated the claims made by this study in your original post, and obscured them altogether in this post. Sloppy.</p>
<p>By the way, I keep my desk clean at work for exactly the reason the study suggests you should &#8211; to project an image of conscientiousness and organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no faster way to make someone hate you than to correct their grammar... unless, of course, you happen to be in the minority who thinks linguistic rights and wrongs make fascinating conversation. Unfortunately, I&#039;m one of the latter, but I&#039;ve been able to keep my grammatical corrections directed toward editing, which is my job, and helping my interns become better writers, which is abuse they signed up for. And, OK, I pester my boyfriend when he uses a pronoun like &quot;he&quot; after referring to three different men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no faster way to make someone hate you than to correct their grammar&#8230; unless, of course, you happen to be in the minority who thinks linguistic rights and wrongs make fascinating conversation. Unfortunately, I&#039;m one of the latter, but I&#039;ve been able to keep my grammatical corrections directed toward editing, which is my job, and helping my interns become better writers, which is abuse they signed up for. And, OK, I pester my boyfriend when he uses a pronoun like &#034;he&#034; after referring to three different men.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 18:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this post deserves a comment by someone who was in no way offended by it. The perfectionists that I have worked with always seems to be running behind, and they blame what they consider to be an impressive quality about themselves. &quot;Sorry this is late, I&#039;m just such a perfectionist!&quot; Messy deskers always claim that they know where everything is. This logic may have worked at 13 when you were arguing with your parents about a messy bedroom, but does not sound too great at work. If I need a file you have been working on, I don&#039;t find it amusing when you joke about your &quot;filing system&quot; while you make me wait while you dig through piles of work. Am I over-generalizing? Yes. This does not apply to every perfectionist and messy desker that I know. The title of this post was &quot;Things I Hate,&quot; not &quot;Things I Hate, and I Hope I&#039;m not Offending Anyone.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this post deserves a comment by someone who was in no way offended by it. The perfectionists that I have worked with always seems to be running behind, and they blame what they consider to be an impressive quality about themselves. &#034;Sorry this is late, I&#039;m just such a perfectionist!&#034; Messy deskers always claim that they know where everything is. This logic may have worked at 13 when you were arguing with your parents about a messy bedroom, but does not sound too great at work. If I need a file you have been working on, I don&#039;t find it amusing when you joke about your &#034;filing system&#034; while you make me wait while you dig through piles of work. Am I over-generalizing? Yes. This does not apply to every perfectionist and messy desker that I know. The title of this post was &#034;Things I Hate,&#034; not &#034;Things I Hate, and I Hope I&#039;m not Offending Anyone.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 14:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penelope is one of those people who thinks she knows everything, therefore, feels like giving an advice (wrong advice) and insulting people that are not like her.
Perfectionists are the &quot;backbone of society&quot;, and anything they do, they do it right. That makes other people jealous, those that are just not capable of doing things right, so all they can do is just insult, talk and give wrong advoice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penelope is one of those people who thinks she knows everything, therefore, feels like giving an advice (wrong advice) and insulting people that are not like her.<br />
Perfectionists are the &#034;backbone of society&#034;, and anything they do, they do it right. That makes other people jealous, those that are just not capable of doing things right, so all they can do is just insult, talk and give wrong advoice.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 00:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post really rubbed me the wrong way.  

There is a place (a very large place, actually) in this world for people who have a strong need to see a job well done.  I don&#039;t particularly want you or anyone like you designing my airplane or my elevator (or doing my medical diagnosis), I don&#039;t even want you to paint my apartment.
.... and I really don&#039;t care how quickly you get those tasks (half) done.  

Also, I think that when people have been saying &quot;I have a serious problem&quot;, you&#039;ve been hearing &quot;I have a unique problem&quot;.  I cannot imagine a teacher who thinks that *they* have the only career where one needs to be &quot;on&quot; all the time, but it is a fact that teaching requires this to a large degree, and if it&#039;s a problem then it&#039;s a problem... I fail to see how explicitly acknowledging that the problem is not unique makes it less of a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post really rubbed me the wrong way.  </p>
<p>There is a place (a very large place, actually) in this world for people who have a strong need to see a job well done.  I don&#039;t particularly want you or anyone like you designing my airplane or my elevator (or doing my medical diagnosis), I don&#039;t even want you to paint my apartment.<br />
&#8230;. and I really don&#039;t care how quickly you get those tasks (half) done.  </p>
<p>Also, I think that when people have been saying &#034;I have a serious problem&#034;, you&#039;ve been hearing &#034;I have a unique problem&#034;.  I cannot imagine a teacher who thinks that *they* have the only career where one needs to be &#034;on&#034; all the time, but it is a fact that teaching requires this to a large degree, and if it&#039;s a problem then it&#039;s a problem&#8230; I fail to see how explicitly acknowledging that the problem is not unique makes it less of a problem.</p>
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