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	<description>Advice at the intersection of work and life</description>
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		<title>By: Stop Being an Insufferable Idiot at Work &#171; 40 years of faulty wiring</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2004/07/22/there-are-no-bad-bosses/comment-page-1/#comment-268657</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop Being an Insufferable Idiot at Work &#171; 40 years of faulty wiring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might not have been a bad thing, come to think of it. Of course I bad-mouthed her because I thought she was a terrible boss.  It didn&#8217;t occur to me that I was a terrible [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] might not have been a bad thing, come to think of it. Of course I bad-mouthed her because I thought she was a terrible boss.  It didn&#039;t occur to me that I was a terrible [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a boss that works on the other side of the country and commits about 15 minutes a week for you and rambles on about things that have nothing to do with what you&#039;re working on? How about a boss who doesn&#039;t respond to emails or phone calls, ever? How about a boss who declines meeting requests for no reason and gives no other times to meet? How about a boss who things every idea who isn&#039;t his own is a bad idea and he &quot;needs to understand&quot; why you came up with such a horrible idea rather than working on implementing something that you both can agree on? How about a boss who thinks social media is just a fad and can never work for business? How about a boss who, when in the office, sits behind a closed door all day? How about a boss who goes on vacations or business trips and doesn&#039;t notify his team of his whereabouts? How about a boss who believes all professional development can be found via free videos on YouTube? How about a boss who needs his directors to run every little thing by him and never let&#039;s them direct anything that isn&#039;t coming from him? How about a boss who doesn&#039;t communicate to his team anything that is going on in the company that might impact relevant projects. How about that kind of boss, Penelope? Is that a bad boss? Or is that still someone I&#039;m managing poorly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a boss that works on the other side of the country and commits about 15 minutes a week for you and rambles on about things that have nothing to do with what you&#039;re working on? How about a boss who doesn&#039;t respond to emails or phone calls, ever? How about a boss who declines meeting requests for no reason and gives no other times to meet? How about a boss who things every idea who isn&#039;t his own is a bad idea and he &#034;needs to understand&#034; why you came up with such a horrible idea rather than working on implementing something that you both can agree on? How about a boss who thinks social media is just a fad and can never work for business? How about a boss who, when in the office, sits behind a closed door all day? How about a boss who goes on vacations or business trips and doesn&#039;t notify his team of his whereabouts? How about a boss who believes all professional development can be found via free videos on YouTube? How about a boss who needs his directors to run every little thing by him and never let&#039;s them direct anything that isn&#039;t coming from him? How about a boss who doesn&#039;t communicate to his team anything that is going on in the company that might impact relevant projects. How about that kind of boss, Penelope? Is that a bad boss? Or is that still someone I&#039;m managing poorly?</p>
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		<title>By: mamasmouth.com :: Zero tolerance for domestic violence is wrong :: http://www.mamasmouth.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2004/07/22/there-are-no-bad-bosses/comment-page-1/#comment-268147</link>
		<dc:creator>mamasmouth.com :: Zero tolerance for domestic violence is wrong :: http://www.mamasmouth.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the success of my blog comes from my reliance on the idea of personal responsibility. There are no bad bosses&#8211;it&#039;s only you. If you can&#039;t get a job it&#039;s not because of the job market, it&#039;s because you are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the success of my blog comes from my reliance on the idea of personal responsibility. There are no bad bosses&#8211;it&#039;s only you. If you can&#039;t get a job it&#039;s not because of the job market, it&#039;s because you are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mamasmouth.com :: Make Your Work More Meaningful :: http://www.mamasmouth.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2004/07/22/there-are-no-bad-bosses/comment-page-1/#comment-263506</link>
		<dc:creator>mamasmouth.com :: Make Your Work More Meaningful :: http://www.mamasmouth.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the same vein, an employee’s job is to make their boss’s life better. Whatever you were hired for, whatever that job description said, the bottom line is that you are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the same vein, an employee’s job is to make their boss’s life better. Whatever you were hired for, whatever that job description said, the bottom line is that you are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: If they wanna get me, well HELL, I got not choice &#171; Real Live Revolution</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2004/07/22/there-are-no-bad-bosses/comment-page-1/#comment-214990</link>
		<dc:creator>If they wanna get me, well HELL, I got not choice &#171; Real Live Revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that make me a shiny little snowflake?) so I was interested in Penelope Trunk&#8217;s post titled There are no bad bosses. In the past, I&#8217;ve simply quit when I felt I wasn&#8217;t being treated well &#8212; I applied [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that make me a shiny little snowflake?) so I was interested in Penelope Trunk&#039;s post titled There are no bad bosses. In the past, I&#039;ve simply quit when I felt I wasn&#039;t being treated well &#8212; I applied [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aviva Gabriel is right. You don&#039;t know what a truly BAD boss is. A truly BAD boss does illegal things, like gives you death threats, and knows how to make sure you can never get any solid evidence to show the police. A truly BAD boss has you do his work for him and then actively cuts you off when you try to learn, because they know that gives you an advantage and they want to control everything you do. There is no relationship. You are there to do what he says, regardless of how insane it is, and woe befall you if you say no. I, however, have managed to outsmart people like this.

And one of the reasons I have is by identifying illegal or unethical behavior where I can, without letting the offender know it was me that brought attention to it. Like exposing that guy&#039;s affair. That would have gotten rid of him, though you need to have the mental and emotional mettle to figure out a way to expose it without him knowing it was you. 

But you chose to kiss up to this guy, who apparently did not have an ethical bone in his body (how do you know he got those contracts without bribing somebody?), and that&#039;s why we have to deal with @$$holes in the workplace...because nobody takes a stand.

Something tells me that if your boss had told you to shred some important documents at Enron, you would have done it. It&#039;s deadwood like this that have thrown us into economic chaos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aviva Gabriel is right. You don&#039;t know what a truly BAD boss is. A truly BAD boss does illegal things, like gives you death threats, and knows how to make sure you can never get any solid evidence to show the police. A truly BAD boss has you do his work for him and then actively cuts you off when you try to learn, because they know that gives you an advantage and they want to control everything you do. There is no relationship. You are there to do what he says, regardless of how insane it is, and woe befall you if you say no. I, however, have managed to outsmart people like this.</p>
<p>And one of the reasons I have is by identifying illegal or unethical behavior where I can, without letting the offender know it was me that brought attention to it. Like exposing that guy&#039;s affair. That would have gotten rid of him, though you need to have the mental and emotional mettle to figure out a way to expose it without him knowing it was you. </p>
<p>But you chose to kiss up to this guy, who apparently did not have an ethical bone in his body (how do you know he got those contracts without bribing somebody?), and that&#039;s why we have to deal with @$$holes in the workplace&#8230;because nobody takes a stand.</p>
<p>Something tells me that if your boss had told you to shred some important documents at Enron, you would have done it. It&#039;s deadwood like this that have thrown us into economic chaos.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I hear you saying is to manage one&#039;s expectations and manage one&#039;s own attitude.  This is good solid advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I hear you saying is to manage one&#039;s expectations and manage one&#039;s own attitude.  This is good solid advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Aviva Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aviva Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 05:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting a sense - from your representative anecdote about what sorts of things a &quot;bad boss&quot; might do - that you haven&#039;t yet encountered what most people mean by a &quot;bad boss.&quot;  

Although I entirely and wholeheartedly agree with you that &quot;managing the relationship&quot; proactively, without whining or feeling victimized, is the key to growing and succeeding in the workplace...a truly BAD boss - and they DO exist - is a person of such toxicity that there IS no &quot;relationship&quot; to manage.  

There is abuse.  There are poisonous and even evil deeds.  There is a black hole that all proactive, constructive, and mature behavior disappears into...as if it never existed.  

A truly BAD boss is toxic human being who will hurt others without end, regardless of ANYTHING they might do, or not do.  It doesn&#039;t matter.  A BAD boss hardly perceives anyone or anything outside of their own self-involved sphere.

I can give some examples...but not right this minute.  I&#039;ll wait to see if that kind of thing is of interest to anyone first.  

My real intent is to open the possibility here that &quot;bad bosses&quot; DO exist, and they wreak havoc on people and on businesses.  

You&#039;ll know it when you see it.  It&#039;ll be vastly different than anything you&#039;ve even hinted at, or alluded to, in this blog entry.  

So, I invite you to consider - or reconsider - the catchy but false claim that bad bosses don&#039;t exist. This is far too facile a claim. 

There are bad parents.  There are bad people.  There are psychotic people.  There are - truly - real victims in this world.  The workplace is no different.  Like children with bad parents, there truly ARE workers with bad bosses - and in both situations, there&#039;s a vast power differential that cannot be overcome.  

In the case of adults with bad bosses, sometimes their only power is to leave that workplace.   Bosses who are psychically damaged - and in turn damage those around them - can be unyielding, unchangingly abusive.

So, regardless of one&#039;s emotional intelligence, nothing changes with a truly BAD boss. Those with high EQs usually choose to leave a bad boss; it&#039;s often the most constructive, proactive, and non-victim thing they can do in an unremittingly evil situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m getting a sense &#8211; from your representative anecdote about what sorts of things a &#034;bad boss&#034; might do &#8211; that you haven&#039;t yet encountered what most people mean by a &#034;bad boss.&#034;  </p>
<p>Although I entirely and wholeheartedly agree with you that &#034;managing the relationship&#034; proactively, without whining or feeling victimized, is the key to growing and succeeding in the workplace&#8230;a truly BAD boss &#8211; and they DO exist &#8211; is a person of such toxicity that there IS no &#034;relationship&#034; to manage.  </p>
<p>There is abuse.  There are poisonous and even evil deeds.  There is a black hole that all proactive, constructive, and mature behavior disappears into&#8230;as if it never existed.  </p>
<p>A truly BAD boss is toxic human being who will hurt others without end, regardless of ANYTHING they might do, or not do.  It doesn&#039;t matter.  A BAD boss hardly perceives anyone or anything outside of their own self-involved sphere.</p>
<p>I can give some examples&#8230;but not right this minute.  I&#039;ll wait to see if that kind of thing is of interest to anyone first.  </p>
<p>My real intent is to open the possibility here that &#034;bad bosses&#034; DO exist, and they wreak havoc on people and on businesses.  </p>
<p>You&#039;ll know it when you see it.  It&#039;ll be vastly different than anything you&#039;ve even hinted at, or alluded to, in this blog entry.  </p>
<p>So, I invite you to consider &#8211; or reconsider &#8211; the catchy but false claim that bad bosses don&#039;t exist. This is far too facile a claim. </p>
<p>There are bad parents.  There are bad people.  There are psychotic people.  There are &#8211; truly &#8211; real victims in this world.  The workplace is no different.  Like children with bad parents, there truly ARE workers with bad bosses &#8211; and in both situations, there&#039;s a vast power differential that cannot be overcome.  </p>
<p>In the case of adults with bad bosses, sometimes their only power is to leave that workplace.   Bosses who are psychically damaged &#8211; and in turn damage those around them &#8211; can be unyielding, unchangingly abusive.</p>
<p>So, regardless of one&#039;s emotional intelligence, nothing changes with a truly BAD boss. Those with high EQs usually choose to leave a bad boss; it&#039;s often the most constructive, proactive, and non-victim thing they can do in an unremittingly evil situation.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of the book &quot;Please Understand Me&quot; which is about different personality types.  A lot of times, a person who may seem like a bad boss just has a different personality due to the way they were raised or because of genetics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the book &#034;Please Understand Me&#034; which is about different personality types.  A lot of times, a person who may seem like a bad boss just has a different personality due to the way they were raised or because of genetics.</p>
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