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	<description>Advice at the intersection of work and life</description>
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		<title>By: Road</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/06/05/getting-credit-for-your-ideas-is-overrated/comment-page-1/#comment-254318</link>
		<dc:creator>Road</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 10:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your success at work is dependent on your accomplishments, not your ideas. So can everyone please stop being so petty about whose ideas are whose?

A very small number of you are strategists and inventors. For you, your ideas make or break your career. So don’t bother reading the rest of this column. For the rest of you, face the music: You are not paid to come up with ideas. You are paid to execute them.

So let’s say you’re a marketing manager and you have a great idea to spam the whole world to get them to buy soap. Spamming is not an innovation, and selling soap has been done before, too. The person who is a genius will be the person who can make a spam campaign work. That would require direct mail expertise, figuring out which product is most likely to sell, setting up fulfillment capabilities.

Let’s say the spam campaign is a success. Who’s the genius? The person with the idea to spam or the person who actually increased soap sales? Let me tell you something, in this economy, few companies can afford an “ideas guy&quot;. Companies are hiring people who generate revenue: executors.

Look, I’m not saying the world doesn’t need ideas. Ideas are great. And in the perfect world, everyone gets credit for the ideas they have. But the world isn’t perfect, and people steal ideas at work. And while we fight off large imperfections like fake (Enron) companies, race discrimination and massive layoffs, getting credit for an idea is pretty small peanuts.

Yet still, I hear people complain about a stolen idea as if it was their first-born child. And sometimes I think maybe it was. Maybe the people who worry about a stolen idea the most are the people who have the fewest ideas. Ask yourself if your problem is not really thievery but scarcity. If you don’t have a lot of ideas to begin with then you shouldn’t bother trying to be known for your ideas. It’s not who you are.

Most people who complain about stolen ideas peg their boss as the culprit. If you’re in this category ask yourself this question: Is your job in jeopardy because your boss thinks you have no good ideas? In that case you probably need to start documenting your ideas on paper. But I have news for you: your boss probably doesn’t like you if she recognizes you so little as to steal your brilliance and accuse you of lacking ideas. In that case, you can grovel for credit, but you should probably try to find a job working for someone else.

And here’s a tip for when you’re looking for that next job: Don’t bother listing your great ideas on your resume. No one cares. Employers want to see resumes with quantified accomplishments. Replace “thought of opening a new sales channel&quot; to “opened a sales channel and increased revenue x%&quot;.

Maybe your boss steals just a few ideas, but is generally a good boss. In that case, ignore her ethical transgression. You have a limited number of times you can tell your boss she is bothering you. Use those times for instances when you will make more money. If your bonus is tied to having an original idea, then by all means, point out the idea that your boss stole so that you can collect your money. But if the only thing that a stolen idea harms is your ego, then get over it.

Besides, the best way to get a promotion is to make your boss love you. And you can make your boss love you by making her feel smart. If your boss feels smart it doesn’t mean that she thinks you are not smart. Don’t be so insecure. It should be enough that you know that you have good ideas.

COMPILED AND WRITTEN BY ROAD.

Dear Penelope, what i did here was steal an article from your website and put my name on it.
It does not make much sense if you would say it would not bother you, because if that wasnt the case, and acknowledgement for one&#039;s creation wasnt important, then you would have put you name in Bold Letters on top of this site.
Yours Sincerely
Road</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your success at work is dependent on your accomplishments, not your ideas. So can everyone please stop being so petty about whose ideas are whose?</p>
<p>A very small number of you are strategists and inventors. For you, your ideas make or break your career. So don’t bother reading the rest of this column. For the rest of you, face the music: You are not paid to come up with ideas. You are paid to execute them.</p>
<p>So let’s say you’re a marketing manager and you have a great idea to spam the whole world to get them to buy soap. Spamming is not an innovation, and selling soap has been done before, too. The person who is a genius will be the person who can make a spam campaign work. That would require direct mail expertise, figuring out which product is most likely to sell, setting up fulfillment capabilities.</p>
<p>Let’s say the spam campaign is a success. Who’s the genius? The person with the idea to spam or the person who actually increased soap sales? Let me tell you something, in this economy, few companies can afford an “ideas guy&#034;. Companies are hiring people who generate revenue: executors.</p>
<p>Look, I’m not saying the world doesn’t need ideas. Ideas are great. And in the perfect world, everyone gets credit for the ideas they have. But the world isn’t perfect, and people steal ideas at work. And while we fight off large imperfections like fake (Enron) companies, race discrimination and massive layoffs, getting credit for an idea is pretty small peanuts.</p>
<p>Yet still, I hear people complain about a stolen idea as if it was their first-born child. And sometimes I think maybe it was. Maybe the people who worry about a stolen idea the most are the people who have the fewest ideas. Ask yourself if your problem is not really thievery but scarcity. If you don’t have a lot of ideas to begin with then you shouldn’t bother trying to be known for your ideas. It’s not who you are.</p>
<p>Most people who complain about stolen ideas peg their boss as the culprit. If you’re in this category ask yourself this question: Is your job in jeopardy because your boss thinks you have no good ideas? In that case you probably need to start documenting your ideas on paper. But I have news for you: your boss probably doesn’t like you if she recognizes you so little as to steal your brilliance and accuse you of lacking ideas. In that case, you can grovel for credit, but you should probably try to find a job working for someone else.</p>
<p>And here’s a tip for when you’re looking for that next job: Don’t bother listing your great ideas on your resume. No one cares. Employers want to see resumes with quantified accomplishments. Replace “thought of opening a new sales channel&#034; to “opened a sales channel and increased revenue x%&#034;.</p>
<p>Maybe your boss steals just a few ideas, but is generally a good boss. In that case, ignore her ethical transgression. You have a limited number of times you can tell your boss she is bothering you. Use those times for instances when you will make more money. If your bonus is tied to having an original idea, then by all means, point out the idea that your boss stole so that you can collect your money. But if the only thing that a stolen idea harms is your ego, then get over it.</p>
<p>Besides, the best way to get a promotion is to make your boss love you. And you can make your boss love you by making her feel smart. If your boss feels smart it doesn’t mean that she thinks you are not smart. Don’t be so insecure. It should be enough that you know that you have good ideas.</p>
<p>COMPILED AND WRITTEN BY ROAD.</p>
<p>Dear Penelope, what i did here was steal an article from your website and put my name on it.<br />
It does not make much sense if you would say it would not bother you, because if that wasnt the case, and acknowledgement for one&#039;s creation wasnt important, then you would have put you name in Bold Letters on top of this site.<br />
Yours Sincerely<br />
Road</p>
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		<title>By: Assech Omega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assech Omega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mm</title>
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		<dc:creator>mm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been having a problem where I pretty much do all the heavy lifting for my boss -- I do the idea-generating AND the executing -- and he&#039;s shamelessly appropriating all the credit without doing the normal managerial things -like coaching and rewarding - that might justify this even a little. I just know more than the guy - who was hired several years after I was to a level over me - and I am smarter and more engaged in the ways that count in our business. I will ALWAYS be better at his job than he is and I think if he has any reflective moments at all, he would agree.

In searching on the topic, I am a little shocked by the extent to which various self-appointed experts advise me to suck it up. One said the important thing is influence, not credit. That&#039;s a fascinating idea. Here I thought the important thing was to advance professionally and I also thought that to do that, important people in the organization need to know what I actually do. 

Another said that making my boss look smart carries its own reward in raises, positive performance appraisals etc, but that&#039;s really not the case here so far. I think people who steal ideas the best are the ones who forget they stole them. As soon as they say them, they own them so no one else need be rewarded. 

I think Max above explains the origins of this kind of pervasive advice -- which if these comments are any indication doesn&#039;t seem to find much agreement -- when he said:

&quot;Written like someone who is an expert at stealing other people&#039;s ideas and taking credit.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been having a problem where I pretty much do all the heavy lifting for my boss &#8212; I do the idea-generating AND the executing &#8212; and he&#039;s shamelessly appropriating all the credit without doing the normal managerial things -like coaching and rewarding &#8211; that might justify this even a little. I just know more than the guy &#8211; who was hired several years after I was to a level over me &#8211; and I am smarter and more engaged in the ways that count in our business. I will ALWAYS be better at his job than he is and I think if he has any reflective moments at all, he would agree.</p>
<p>In searching on the topic, I am a little shocked by the extent to which various self-appointed experts advise me to suck it up. One said the important thing is influence, not credit. That&#039;s a fascinating idea. Here I thought the important thing was to advance professionally and I also thought that to do that, important people in the organization need to know what I actually do. </p>
<p>Another said that making my boss look smart carries its own reward in raises, positive performance appraisals etc, but that&#039;s really not the case here so far. I think people who steal ideas the best are the ones who forget they stole them. As soon as they say them, they own them so no one else need be rewarded. </p>
<p>I think Max above explains the origins of this kind of pervasive advice &#8212; which if these comments are any indication doesn&#039;t seem to find much agreement &#8212; when he said:</p>
<p>&#034;Written like someone who is an expert at stealing other people&#039;s ideas and taking credit.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Social Media Marknadsföring</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Media Marknadsföring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm well I don&#039;t think anyone would agree with what you&#039;ve mentioned here. Ideas are hard thoughts by talented people. they definitely need to be credited. Ideas are the real base of most of successful projects</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm well I don&#039;t think anyone would agree with what you&#039;ve mentioned here. Ideas are hard thoughts by talented people. they definitely need to be credited. Ideas are the real base of most of successful projects</p>
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		<title>By: Trading software designer</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/06/05/getting-credit-for-your-ideas-is-overrated/comment-page-1/#comment-214061</link>
		<dc:creator>Trading software designer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it not absurd that we&#039;re paid just for working a few extra-hours, and not the least for suggesting innovative ideas that may appreciably increase our employer&#039;s benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not absurd that we&#039;re paid just for working a few extra-hours, and not the least for suggesting innovative ideas that may appreciably increase our employer&#039;s benefits?</p>
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		<title>By: Sold out concert tickets</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/06/05/getting-credit-for-your-ideas-is-overrated/comment-page-1/#comment-189643</link>
		<dc:creator>Sold out concert tickets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article indeed. I would like to think more about it and see. You&#039;ve got your point too Penelope. but I think everyone won&#039;t think as such. And because of that ideas need to be praised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article indeed. I would like to think more about it and see. You&#039;ve got your point too Penelope. but I think everyone won&#039;t think as such. And because of that ideas need to be praised.</p>
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		<title>By: airfares</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/06/05/getting-credit-for-your-ideas-is-overrated/comment-page-1/#comment-185452</link>
		<dc:creator>airfares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 02:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I don&#039;t think what you have mentioned is correct. ideas need to be praised. And I don&#039;t think it is overrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I don&#039;t think what you have mentioned is correct. ideas need to be praised. And I don&#039;t think it is overrated.</p>
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		<title>By: LMS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there. Well Penelope, I certainly love your work and the advice you give. but I really would think if people were credited for their ideas they would perform more. Don&#039;t you think so? Anyway, Awesome work with the blog. Keep it up. Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there. Well Penelope, I certainly love your work and the advice you give. but I really would think if people were credited for their ideas they would perform more. Don&#039;t you think so? Anyway, Awesome work with the blog. Keep it up. Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: electrical goods</title>
		<link>http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/06/05/getting-credit-for-your-ideas-is-overrated/comment-page-1/#comment-183486</link>
		<dc:creator>electrical goods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with the comments but not with your article Penelope. people need to be credit for their ideas. It is very important that it is done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the comments but not with your article Penelope. people need to be credit for their ideas. It is very important that it is done.</p>
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		<title>By: Säljcoach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Säljcoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, ideas are the base stones for big projects which in turn brings in great income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, ideas are the base stones for big projects which in turn brings in great income.</p>
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