Comments on: Don't wait until you bottom out to make a big change http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/ Advice at the intersection of work and life Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:26:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Assech Omega http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/comment-page-1/#comment-248810 Assech Omega Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:13:35 +0000 http://lolindrath.dyndns.org/lolindrath/wordpress/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/#comment-248810 <a href="http://www.chineseenergetics.com" rel="nofollow"> Energy Psychology </a>  This is another solution to the Problem!!!
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]]> By: SC http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/comment-page-1/#comment-237114 SC Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:34:56 +0000 http://lolindrath.dyndns.org/lolindrath/wordpress/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/#comment-237114 I really liked this article because I too have had very bad experiences with long commutes. It truly is amazing the drastic difference even 30 minutes of extra driving can affect someone's ability to live life well. My first "far from home" job was to Kmart and it was a 40-45 minutes drive and was about 40 miles away. That, I later found out, was actually about the furthest I could drive on a regular basis without going insane. I've been reading these commute articles a lot today and here's something I haven't seen mentioned: It's not really so much about the TIME you spend driving, but rather the COMPLEXITY of the drive. For example, when I lived in Chicago, just outside of downtown, it took 45 minutes to get from my apartment to work (only 5 miles away!). I had to rely on bus routes (not close to a train) and typically I had to wait for a bus for 10 minutes, ride on it for 20 and then walk the last 15 minutes (~15 blocks) to my job in the heart of downtown. Even though the route was complex, the steps I had to take were very simple: #1) Wait, #2) Sit on Bus, #3) Walk. After leaving Chicago I moved to Michigan and things are much more rural there. One job I took (because I desperately needed it) was only 50 miles away...but due to the poorly designed roads and city layout the shortest route took over 70 minutes to get to work. Then, 6 months later, I was living in another part of the state and for a few months commuted 45 miles to work...and it only took an hour. That drive was MUCH more tolerable. Why? Because I literally had to simply get on two roads to get to the expressway and then 3 short roads once I left the express to get to work. The simpler the route, the less chance of accidents/unexpected things happening and the less stress you have to deal with. A few months after starting that job I moved into an apartment just 15 minutes from work and was almost a complete straight shot. It...was...amazing. Currently I'm doing a telecommuting job that allows me to just go to the office one day a week. Only bad thing is that job is 90 miles away! It takes at least 1 hr. 45 minutes to get to work. Yikes! That one day of travel basically was as long as 5 days of travel at my previous job!!! Nowadays I'm looking for work and once again I'm facing the prospect of driving about 70 minutes one way to get to work...across 60 miles and via 3 expressways. While I would like the job, deep down I know that drive would be unsustainable for 5 days a week. But at the same time, it's not a job I think is worth completely relocating for...not yet anyways, considering I might even like it after 2-3 months (generally it takes that long to learn if you like a company) and the housing setup I have right now is very nice, except for me wanting another job. Long comment short, I think people need to really focus on the complexity of the drive and not just the time/distance. If your drive is a straight shot but takes an hour, that might not be so bad. If your drive is 45 minutes but you have to navigate across several highways, expressways, etc. to "time it just right"...I dunno. That might actually be MORE stressful than a longer commute. I really liked this article because I too have had very bad experiences with long commutes. It truly is amazing the drastic difference even 30 minutes of extra driving can affect someone's ability to live life well. My first "far from home" job was to Kmart and it was a 40-45 minutes drive and was about 40 miles away. That, I later found out, was actually about the furthest I could drive on a regular basis without going insane.

I've been reading these commute articles a lot today and here's something I haven't seen mentioned:
It's not really so much about the TIME you spend driving, but rather the COMPLEXITY of the drive.

For example, when I lived in Chicago, just outside of downtown, it took 45 minutes to get from my apartment to work (only 5 miles away!). I had to rely on bus routes (not close to a train) and typically I had to wait for a bus for 10 minutes, ride on it for 20 and then walk the last 15 minutes (~15 blocks) to my job in the heart of downtown. Even though the route was complex, the steps I had to take were very simple: #1) Wait, #2) Sit on Bus, #3) Walk.

After leaving Chicago I moved to Michigan and things are much more rural there. One job I took (because I desperately needed it) was only 50 miles away…but due to the poorly designed roads and city layout the shortest route took over 70 minutes to get to work. Then, 6 months later, I was living in another part of the state and for a few months commuted 45 miles to work…and it only took an hour. That drive was MUCH more tolerable. Why? Because I literally had to simply get on two roads to get to the expressway and then 3 short roads once I left the express to get to work.

The simpler the route, the less chance of accidents/unexpected things happening and the less stress you have to deal with.

A few months after starting that job I moved into an apartment just 15 minutes from work and was almost a complete straight shot. It…was…amazing.

Currently I'm doing a telecommuting job that allows me to just go to the office one day a week. Only bad thing is that job is 90 miles away! It takes at least 1 hr. 45 minutes to get to work. Yikes! That one day of travel basically was as long as 5 days of travel at my previous job!!!

Nowadays I'm looking for work and once again I'm facing the prospect of driving about 70 minutes one way to get to work…across 60 miles and via 3 expressways. While I would like the job, deep down I know that drive would be unsustainable for 5 days a week. But at the same time, it's not a job I think is worth completely relocating for…not yet anyways, considering I might even like it after 2-3 months (generally it takes that long to learn if you like a company) and the housing setup I have right now is very nice, except for me wanting another job.

Long comment short, I think people need to really focus on the complexity of the drive and not just the time/distance. If your drive is a straight shot but takes an hour, that might not be so bad. If your drive is 45 minutes but you have to navigate across several highways, expressways, etc. to "time it just right"…I dunno. That might actually be MORE stressful than a longer commute.

]]> By: Jonha http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/comment-page-1/#comment-225867 Jonha Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:54:29 +0000 http://lolindrath.dyndns.org/lolindrath/wordpress/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/#comment-225867 Hi Penelope, I might just need this advice as much as I need all your other advices. "Most men think women should be business-like, but should not try to join the club". I am currently working virtually with almost all guys company and it helps to be guided. Jonha Hi Penelope,

I might just need this advice as much as I need all your other advices. "Most men think women should be business-like, but should not try to join the club". I am currently working virtually with almost all guys company and it helps to be guided.

Jonha

]]> By: Alan Wilensky http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/comment-page-1/#comment-215745 Alan Wilensky Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:04:43 +0000 http://lolindrath.dyndns.org/lolindrath/wordpress/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/#comment-215745 Is it possible that the post was written in 2003 and is getting comments in 2009? BTW, dear, you broke the mold with the last post on agriculture and clannism. I am so your advocate - if you need...anything. Is it possible that the post was written in 2003 and is getting comments in 2009?

BTW, dear, you broke the mold with the last post on agriculture and clannism.

I am so your advocate – if you need…anything.

]]> By: mariane http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/comment-page-1/#comment-182045 mariane Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:51:14 +0000 http://lolindrath.dyndns.org/lolindrath/wordpress/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/#comment-182045 well, Tank a very male response:) if you had taken the time to read the whole article instead of buzzing out before the finish and then spend a lot of time writing a reply unrelated to the content and basically making a fool of yourself you would have found she did just that, isn't it... which was the whole point about the story... well, Tank

a very male response:)

if you had taken the time to read the whole article instead of buzzing out before the finish and then spend a lot of time writing a reply unrelated to the content and basically making a fool of yourself you would have found she did just that, isn't it… which was the whole point about the story…

]]> By: Tank http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/comment-page-1/#comment-169606 Tank Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:12:57 +0000 http://lolindrath.dyndns.org/lolindrath/wordpress/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/#comment-169606 I lost interest in this article after you wrote "threw pieces of the inside of my car into a ditch. Then I went to Denny’s and ate three pieces of pie." This is such a female response to problem solving. Don't like what's happening to your life? Change it!!! Don't whine and moan about it. I lost interest in this article after you wrote "threw pieces of the inside of my car into a ditch. Then I went to Denny’s and ate three pieces of pie." This is such a female response to problem solving.

Don't like what's happening to your life? Change it!!! Don't whine and moan about it.

]]> By: Anthony http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/comment-page-1/#comment-141671 Anthony Sun, 06 Apr 2008 20:51:38 +0000 http://lolindrath.dyndns.org/lolindrath/wordpress/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/#comment-141671 I can relate to your two hour commute story. I have been doing the same type of commute in S. Fla for 12 years now. I can tell you almost by name every new tree planted along the turnpike as well as every new single family community. I have gone thru three cars and am currently on my fourth (a prius have to love the ~50mpg). During one of my commutes I speant some time calculating the miles I have traveled over those years, and it is astounding to know that I could have gone to the moon and back and actually be well on the way to the moon again. I still enjoy both my job and more importantly where I live (close to family and friends). While someday I may move (my job closer to where I live not the other way around)I continue to enjoy my commute. One of the good things often overlooked is my commute affords me the opportunity to leave all my work stress behind and not bring it home to my wife. A friend once said "boy you must know the meaning of life" I'm not sure about that but one thing I do know is this type of commute is not for everyone, actually let me repharse it is not for normal people. I can relate to your two hour commute story. I have been doing the same type of commute in S. Fla for 12 years now. I can tell you almost by name every new tree planted along the turnpike as well as every new single family community. I have gone thru three cars and am currently on my fourth (a prius have to love the ~50mpg). During one of my commutes I speant some time calculating the miles I have traveled over those years, and it is astounding to know that I could have gone to the moon and back and actually be well on the way to the moon again. I still enjoy both my job and more importantly where I live (close to family and friends). While someday I may move (my job closer to where I live not the other way around)I continue to enjoy my commute. One of the good things often overlooked is my commute affords me the opportunity to leave all my work stress behind and not bring it home to my wife. A friend once said "boy you must know the meaning of life" I'm not sure about that but one thing I do know is this type of commute is not for everyone, actually let me repharse it is not for normal people.

]]> By: lcmotorist http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/comment-page-1/#comment-133872 lcmotorist Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:15:23 +0000 http://lolindrath.dyndns.org/lolindrath/wordpress/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/#comment-133872 I can relate to bottoming out at a job. In my younger adult days I once quit a job with no other job firmly lined up and no idea how I was going to make it, but things worked out in the end. I just couldn't take working there anymore. As for the effect of a long commute, I agree that it can take a serious toll on a person. I live in a distant suburb of Chicago and I've read articles about Chicagoans with ridiculously long commutes. My coworkers leave home long before dawn just to get to work by 8am. My commute has swelled to an hour and fifteen minutes in the morning. Fortunately, I can also take the Metra commuter rail. Although the total commute is still one hour via the train, it beats driving drowsy. I can relate to bottoming out at a job. In my younger adult days I once quit a job with no other job firmly lined up and no idea how I was going to make it, but things worked out in the end. I just couldn't take working there anymore.

As for the effect of a long commute, I agree that it can take a serious toll on a person. I live in a distant suburb of Chicago and I've read articles about Chicagoans with ridiculously long commutes. My coworkers leave home long before dawn just to get to work by 8am.

My commute has swelled to an hour and fifteen minutes in the morning. Fortunately, I can also take the Metra commuter rail. Although the total commute is still one hour via the train, it beats driving drowsy.

]]> By: Andrew Weaver http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/comment-page-1/#comment-130687 Andrew Weaver Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:05:21 +0000 http://lolindrath.dyndns.org/lolindrath/wordpress/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/#comment-130687 Very, very good advice. I learned this the hard way too. I was working at Wal-Mart, young, and stupid. I was having difficulties paying bills and not making any money at all. I knew I wanted something more, that I could be much more than just a manager in retail, but searching for a new job seemed difficult and scary. One day, after stressing over one too many crazy customers I ran into a lady whom I had worked with there briefly. She had moved on to a much better career after college and was doing quite well. She saw me checking at a register (we were really busy, and I was trying to "lead by my example") and went through my line. First thing out of her mouth was, "What in the world are you still doing here... and checking?!? You are better than this!" In two weeks I was suddenly turning in my two weeks because she had given me an opportunity to work where she was. Now, I have a career and have more than tripled what I made there. Everything has continued to improve since. Looking back, why I didn't just take the leap before is beyond me. Very, very good advice. I learned this the hard way too. I was working at Wal-Mart, young, and stupid. I was having difficulties paying bills and not making any money at all. I knew I wanted something more, that I could be much more than just a manager in retail, but searching for a new job seemed difficult and scary. One day, after stressing over one too many crazy customers I ran into a lady whom I had worked with there briefly. She had moved on to a much better career after college and was doing quite well. She saw me checking at a register (we were really busy, and I was trying to "lead by my example") and went through my line. First thing out of her mouth was, "What in the world are you still doing here… and checking?!? You are better than this!" In two weeks I was suddenly turning in my two weeks because she had given me an opportunity to work where she was. Now, I have a career and have more than tripled what I made there. Everything has continued to improve since. Looking back, why I didn't just take the leap before is beyond me.

]]> By: David http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/comment-page-1/#comment-130153 David Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:23:25 +0000 http://lolindrath.dyndns.org/lolindrath/wordpress/2003/04/28/dont-wait-until-you-bottom-out-to-make-a-big-change/#comment-130153 I used to have a two hour commute (one way) myself (between Beloit, Wis. and Waukegan, Il.). I can sympathize - though I disagree about books on tape. For me, books on tape (or CD) was the only thing that made the drive palatable. The other thing that probably saved me from an experience like yours is I didn't have to fight traffic - the traffic was always flowing - and for a good portion of the drive, it was minimal even at busy times. I'm glad now that I'm back to a 1 hour commute (one way) and am looking at houses to shorten it. I used to have a two hour commute (one way) myself (between Beloit, Wis. and Waukegan, Il.). I can sympathize – though I disagree about books on tape.

For me, books on tape (or CD) was the only thing that made the drive palatable. The other thing that probably saved me from an experience like yours is I didn't have to fight traffic – the traffic was always flowing – and for a good portion of the drive, it was minimal even at busy times.

I'm glad now that I'm back to a 1 hour commute (one way) and am looking at houses to shorten it.

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